Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Quite, Ben. This is all much ado about nothing.

It is a "Richard" thread after all.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

But they couldn't if the responsible parent had blocked those channels using appropriate controls available on their Freeview device.

Whatever the argument is around whether they should be blocked by default, the end responsibility is still that of the parent.

Yes, I think that the issue appears to surround Freeview only. VM, Freesat (and I assume Sky) require a PIN to be entered.

The problem is that some parents simply aren't responsible, educated, intelligent etc.

Originally Posted by Stuart

As far as I am aware, Ofcom regulate everything that is broadcast over hardware in the UK or using tv providers based in the UK. As such, any foreign channel broadcasting on Cable, Freeview, Sky or Freesat is subject to that regulation. That's not to say that they regulate any of the hundreds of satellite channels that are not intended for viewing in the UK. They don't.

However, regardless of regulation, the parents of children need to take SOME responsibility for what their children watch. That includes, if necessary, removing any devices that might be used to watch TV at bedtime. After all, whatever they watch, they aren't going to go to sleep if they are watching TV and it is actually important that children get enough sleep.

AIUI, if channels originate from another EU country, they are governed by the regulations of that country and not Ofcom on any UK platform.

I agree with your sentiments, in fact I would question the decision to let children have unfettered access to television unsupervised in the first place.

Unfortunately, some parents aren't as sensible as us and it's these that we have to worry about.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Its perfectly easy to prevent access to TV if you spend a bit of effort.
If parents cannot be bothered to do that, then they have nothing to complain about.

It is, but it's the parents that don't (for whatever reason) that's leading to toddlers accessing this material. Also, not all Freeview devices appear to have controls to stop this material appearing.

Originally Posted by pip08456

It is a "Richard" thread after all.

Just when I had started to think that you had at last begun to grasp the art of discussing things without the uneccesary rude/snide comments.

Feel free to link to any noteworthy threads started started by yourself or put me onto ignore so you don't have to 'suffer' another 'Richard' thread ever again.

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Edit: I wondered if there was anything to prevent these text n tits type channels relocating to a country with much more lax standards to pornography and beaming them into British homes and have found this on the internet:

This section of the communications act appears to cover this possibility:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...radio-services

If a foreign licensed service is persistently broadcasting output which is offensive, incites hatred/violence, or breaches general taste and decency expectations, they can be proscribed by Ofcom and removed from DTT/Cable (and the Sky/Freesat EPG, but the actual satellite broadcast appears to be not included).

Any channel attempting to broadcast hardcore pornography to the UK is likely to be affected, even if it was allowed in the country of origin.

So, it appears that if they did this, they could force VM, Sky, Freesat, Freeview etc to remove the channel from their EPG's- but not the broadcast itself.

I don't imagine that toddlers would have the capability to manually tune them in!

I think that the best thing would be for Freeview porn channels to be required to ensure that a PIN is entered on every device they are receivable on to prevent young prying eyes from gaining access to them.

[techguyone]

I can't see Richard - as ignored but I get the gist from quoted posts.

Just start a petition, get your 100k votes and let the MPs debate it.

After all. Won't somebody please think of the children!

While you're at it, start another, asking for mandatory IQ testing for prospective parents, so all these unfortunate parents who seem unable to get basic parenting don't get the chance to breed and further dumb down the population.

Good luck.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I can't see Richard - as ignored but I get the gist from quoted posts.

Just start a petition, get your 100k votes and let the MPs debate it.

After all. Won't somebody please think of the children!

While you're at it, start another, asking for mandatory IQ testing for prospective parents, so all these unfortunate parents who seem unable to get basic parenting don't get the chance to breed and further dumb down the population.

Good luck.

I have no plans to start an epetition, I just wanted to discuss the situation with other members.

Your last comment actually has legs. As it stands, anyone can have children regardless of their abilities and I don't think that this is a good thing.

At the moment we have children (in mind or in body) giving birth to children. Often, they expect others to pay for them whilst having scant regard to raising them properly through ignorance or otherwise.

Yet, those who wish to adopt have to (quite rightly) pass various checks before they are able to do so.

I don't think that it is a person's right to have children (it's a privilege) and, in the most extreme cases, would support mandatory sterilisation of some males and females.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Your last comment actually has legs. As it stands, anyone can have children regardless of their abilities and I don't think that this is a good thing.

At the moment we have children (in mind or in body) giving birth to children. Often, they expect others to pay for them whilst having scant regard to raising them properly through ignorance or otherwise.

Yet, those who wish to adopt have to (quite rightly) pass various checks before they are able to do so.

I don't think that it is a person's right to have children (it's a privilege) and, in the most extreme cases, would support mandatory sterilisation of some males and females.

Wow. Followed by forced terminations and/or imprisonment for anyone unsuitable who slips through the net. I suppose next you'd be all for mandatory genetic screaning of every fetus so we dont run the risk of ending up with a drain on society?

Cheers

Grim

[nodrogd]

This issue with Adult channels has been going on since the "Red Hot Dutch" fiasco in the early 80s. The EU ruling is that no country can block receprion of another countries channels. When the aforesaid channel launched, reception equipment was analogue & sat receivers were simple. All you had to do was aim your Sky dish at the relevant satellite, order a smartcard from Holland & away you go. The OFCOM of the time tried everything from wanting Sky to change their encryption system to intercepting the cards coming through the post.
Things are different now. All channels on UK platform EPG's must have a UK licence, so must obey the UK's rules on content. In short the content is still out there, but you now need specialised equipment to get it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I have no plans to start an epetition, I just wanted to discuss the situation with other members.

Your last comment actually has legs. As it stands, anyone can have children regardless of their abilities and I don't think that this is a good thing.

At the moment we have children (in mind or in body) giving birth to children. Often, they expect others to pay for them whilst having scant regard to raising them properly through ignorance or otherwise.

Yet, those who wish to adopt have to (quite rightly) pass various checks before they are able to do so.

I don't think that it is a person's right to have children (it's a privilege) and, in the most extreme cases, would support mandatory sterilisation of some males and females.

My God, I can't believe that this thread has actually taken a turn for the worst!

Abandon it, Richard, you have now entered dangerous territory!

We already have these types of channels on Virgin, Sky, Freeview, etc, and while they continue to make money, I dare say they will always be there. Why you have made such a fuss about these two new ones is beyond me. As long as they are PIN protected, I do not see the problem at all.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

But they couldn't if the responsible parent had blocked those channels using appropriate controls available on their Freeview device.

Whatever the argument is around whether they should be blocked by default, the end responsibility is still that of the parent.

This.

[Anypermitedroute]

38 posts in and I now understand what Richards gripe is

He resents having to pay £9.99 a month and wait till late night for them to start broadcasting

[techguyone]

LOL too funny, my epetitions were intended as deep sarcasm

[mike_gain]

Originally Posted by denphone

This.

Seconded. Protecting my childrens' innocence is my responsibility.

That said I don't see many campaigning to protect children's eyes and ears from the ravages of the porn industry also making the same arguments about the evening news. You watch tonight and tell me with complete honesty that all the material is suitable for children.

A simple solution would be not to give toddlers or young children the remote control- or would that be too simplistic?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I can't see Richard - as ignored but I get the gist from quoted posts.

Just start a petition, get your 100k votes and let the MPs debate it.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I have no plans to start an epetition, I just wanted to discuss the situation with other members.

Originally Posted by techguyone

LOL too funny, my epetitions were intended as deep sarcasm

Turns out i'm not on ignore after all am I

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Originally Posted by nodrogd

This issue with Adult channels has been going on since the "Red Hot Dutch" fiasco in the early 80s. The EU ruling is that no country can block receprion of another countries channels. When the aforesaid channel launched, reception equipment was analogue & sat receivers were simple. All you had to do was aim your Sky dish at the relevant satellite, order a smartcard from Holland & away you go. The OFCOM of the time tried everything from wanting Sky to change their encryption system to intercepting the cards coming through the post.
Things are different now. All channels on UK platform EPG's must have a UK licence, so must obey the UK's rules on content. In short the content is still out there, but you now need specialised equipment to get it.

AIUI, channels can be licensed from any EU country and put onto the EPG.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We already have these types of channels on Virgin, Sky, Freeview, etc, and while they continue to make money, I dare say they will always be there. Why you have made such a fuss about these two new ones is beyond me. As long as they are PIN protected, I do not see the problem at all.

We have already established that Freesat and Virgin Media and possibly Sky do PIN protect these channels, it's Freeview that appears to be the problem.

Originally Posted by Hugh

A simple solution would be not to give toddlers or young children the remote control- or would that be too simplistic?

Good point Hugh, many modern TV's are designed to be used mainly via remote control these days and this would certainly be a help. I think that most TV's can still be used without the remote control though.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It is, but it's the parents that don't (for whatever reason) that's leading to toddlers accessing this material. Also, not all Freeview devices appear to have controls to stop this material appearing.

What the devices can do is irrelevant, its perfectly simple to control the power to those devices. They tend not to work without electricity.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul M

What the devices can do is irrelevant, its perfectly simple to control the power to those devices. They tend not to work without electricity.

Yep, this would be a solution (providing the children haven't got the knowledge or access to the power socket). It wouldn't be a good idea to do anything that might encourage toddlers to go near the socket though!

A lot of modern properties have the power sockets at waist height now, as it's safer for children and easier for those with disabilities or dexterity problems.

I wonder why power sockets were traditionally put at floor level

Again though, you or I would take steps to prevent little ones from gaining access to this material, but it's the ones who don't that are the problem.

Something that doesn't require parental intervention (like being PIN protected) is probably better as it protects children with less responsible parent/s.