Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Given what you can see without restriction on the internet, I really don't understand what the fuss is about.

Are you exercising your right to be offended, Richard? Try hard not to tune into these channels....

I understand what you're saying, but there's a difference between an adult choosing something like this on the internet and a toddler waking up and going through the channels looking for a cartoon and stumbling across one of these type of channels instead!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I'm surprised that you have such an indifference to children being exposed to such material.

Many parents may not know about this, or have the technical intelligence/knowledge to prevent access.

IMO Pin Protection should be a minimum requirement for all these channels as a condition of being able to transmit to the UK.

If we do end up leaving the EU, maybe things will change.

I do not have an indifference to children being exposed to such material. I do object to parents not taking parental duties seriously though.

IMHO devices should by default not have these services accessable unless the parent /owner activates them.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I do not have an indifference to children being exposed to such material. I do object to parents not taking parental duties seriously though.

IMHO devices should by default not have these services accessable unless the parent /owner activates them.

Now that would be a good idea.

I have just tried to view channel 981 and VM have an opt-in system as you describe; the channel wouldn't clear until I entered my PIN.

Yes, there are parents who don't take their parental responsibilities seriously enough- too many these days in fact- but some may just not be as educated or intelligent as us. Where technology is concerned, children often know more than their parents!

On my old V+ I could block these type of channels from the EPG, does anyone know if this is also possible on the TiVo?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I find it surprising and a little worrying that non regulated pornography can be easily picked up by satellite, Freeview and now VM customers.

You forgot the internet, which is where most are actually likely to come across it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I don't bother with such channels, but I would object to something deeemed unacceptable by Ofcom being beamed into UK homes that nobody, not even the regulator, has any power to control or stop.

But much worse is on the internet, including from other parts of the EU and abroad.

At least, so I am told

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I understand what you're saying, but there's a difference between an adult choosing something like this on the internet and a toddler waking up and going through the channels looking for a cartoon and stumbling across one of these type of channels instead!

I don't think that is likely in any responsible household. Anyway, why aren't you more concerned with the far worse internet sites which are all too easily accessible?

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

...I have just tried to view channel 981....

I wondered how long it would take you...

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You forgot the internet, which is where most are actually likely to come across it.

Exactly and that is where most harm can come to "children of impressionable age" That's where parents must take responsibility!

Originally Posted by pip08456

Exactly and that is where most harm can come to "children of impressionable age" That's where parents must take responsibility!

I thought these type of channels didn't start broadcasting until after 10 pm

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You forgot the internet, which is where most are actually likely to come across it.

I see what you did there

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Exactly and that is where most harm can come to "children of impressionable age" That's where parents must take responsibility!

No ISP blocking can substitute for parental responsibility here. ISP blocks are completely ineffective anyway.

For example the pirate bay is subject to a court injunction on ISPs for the last 3 years not to provide access in the UK yet in under 5 seconds I can bypass those blocks and those on all the common torrent sites. Child's play, and indeed your children will, and I don't even need to resort to a VPN.

Those that think you can regulate the internet to "protect" the innocent are utterly naive.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by martyh

I thought these type of channels didn't start broadcasting until after 10 pm

IDK you'd better ask Riichard.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You forgot the internet, which is where most are actually likely to come across it.

Complaints have come from the parents of children too young to use the internet, but who know how to turn on their bedroom TV and go through the channels.

If the child gets up particularly early ie pre 6am, they can stumble across these channels when they are showing more inappropriate content than during the daytime.

Originally Posted by martyh

I thought these type of channels didn't start broadcasting until after 10 pm

Originally Posted by pip08456

IDK you'd better ask Riichard.

When I looked at channel 981 yesterday afternoon, it was on. Granted, during the day the titillating and pouting from these women wasn't as exaggerated as it is in the evening, but toddlers can wake up very early.

The broadcasting day starts at 6am, so if they wake up 'during the night' pre 6am, they can stumble upon simulated sex etc.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

When I looked at channel 981 yesterday afternoon, it was on. Granted, during the day the titillating and pouting from these women wasn't as exaggerated as it is in the evening, but toddlers can wake up very early.

The broadcasting day starts at 6am, so if they wake up 'during the night' pre 6am, they can stumble upon simulated sex etc.

But they couldn't if the responsible parent had blocked those channels using appropriate controls available on their Freeview device.

Whatever the argument is around whether they should be blocked by default, the end responsibility is still that of the parent.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

But they couldn't if the responsible parent had blocked those channels using appropriate controls available on their Freeview device.

Whatever the argument is around whether they should be blocked by default, the end responsibility is still that of the parent.

Quite, Ben. This is all much ado about nothing.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Some types of porn are acceptable abroad that we do not find acceptable here in the UK.

It cannot be right that they can beam this into UK homes without anything to stop them; this is particularly worrying if children get to see it.

As far as I am aware, Ofcom regulate everything that is broadcast over hardware in the UK or using tv providers based in the UK. As such, any foreign channel broadcasting on Cable, Freeview, Sky or Freesat is subject to that regulation. That's not to say that they regulate any of the hundreds of satellite channels that are not intended for viewing in the UK. They don't.

However, regardless of regulation, the parents of children need to take SOME responsibility for what their children watch. That includes, if necessary, removing any devices that might be used to watch TV at bedtime. After all, whatever they watch, they aren't going to go to sleep if they are watching TV and it is actually important that children get enough sleep.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Complaints have come from the parents of children too young to use the internet, but who know how to turn on their bedroom TV and go through the channels.

If the child gets up particularly early ie pre 6am, they can stumble across these channels when they are showing more inappropriate content than during the daytime..

Its perfectly easy to prevent access to TV if you spend a bit of effort.
If parents cannot be bothered to do that, then they have nothing to complain about.