Junior Doctors Prepare For First Full Walk-Out

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I think they are from a generation of spoiled brats we seemed to have have bred this day and age.

They want everything for nothing and don't want to work for anything. I certainly don't support them I think they are being greedy and its about time we start putting our foot down

Good job not everyone thinks like you..And good luck getting treatment if they all do decide to go work somewhere else..

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Good job not everyone thinks like you..And good luck getting treatment if they all do decide to go work somewhere else..

Under the agreed terms, junior doctors who work seven or more weekends a year will receive premium pay on Saturdays and Sundays.

Night shifts lasting for more than eight hours would also be subject to an enhanced pay rate of 37%, and a basic pay increase of between 10% and 11% was also agreed.


So what do you propose they should get then?

Originally Posted by Gavin78

So what do you propose they should get then?

We should demand a "return of service" from them .They need to be made to realise that their training costs a lot of money and most other countries make them pay themselves

[Gavin78]

I work for the NHS and these guys while I agree are way up there from what I do but we don't get any good deals...what 1%

Working for the NHS and seeing the inside of what happens I think they are being greedy and want for nothing

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I work for the NHS and these guys while I agree are way up there from what I do but we don't get any good deals...what 1%

Working for the NHS and seeing the inside of what happens I think they are being greedy and want for nothing

I don't know what more the government can do ,they have given them everything they wanted and more .

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Good job not everyone thinks like you..And good luck getting treatment if they all do decide to go work somewhere else..

Maggy there has to be limits, the contract been offered is extremely generous.

Difficult to deal with this, but imposing the contract seems the most logical way forward.

[TheDaddy]

It's not gone away despite Mr hunts best efforts to avoid being scrutinised and soon he'll be in court rather than the Andrew Marr show where you can only hope he and his fictitious claims can be tested by someone with more expertise than a tv presenter

http://www.justiceforhealth.co.uk/

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not gone away despite Mr hunts best efforts to avoid being scrutinised and soon he'll be in court rather than the Andrew Marr show where you can only hope he and his fictitious claims can be tested by someone with more expertise than a tv presenter

http://www.justiceforhealth.co.uk/

Still missing the bit where it says what on earth are they striking about? Long hours? No can't be that as the hours are being REDUCED.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Still missing the bit where it says what on earth are they striking about? Long hours? No can't be that as the hours are being REDUCED.

And how does that work with a shortage of staff?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

And how does that work with a shortage of staff?

And what on earth has that got to do with the CLAIMED reasons for the strike?

The real issue that there isn't enough staff to provide the 5 day care in hospitals let alone 7 days which is what the initial strikes were about. No amount of fiddling about with schedules will ever solve that..We need more staff to cover the shortages there are alrady.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The real issue that there isn't enough staff to provide the 5 day care in hospitals let alone 7 days which is what the initial strikes were about. No amount of fiddling about with schedules will ever solve that..We need more staff to cover the shortages there are alrady.

None of the banners said that. The ballot form didn't say that. The BMA and the Royal College of Physicians have said that a 7-day NHS is a good idea. Any new schedules have NOTHING to do with the junior doctors and the new contract. The new contract is just something that will help enable it to happen at some time in the future.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

None of the banners said that. The ballot form didn't say that. The BMA and the Royal College of Physicians have said that a 7-day NHS is a good idea. Any new schedules have NOTHING to do with the junior doctors and the new contract. The new contract is just something that will help enable it to happen at some time in the future.

Is this some mythical far off future, where they have much more staff and a lot more money? There isn't enough resources for 5 days a week let alone 7. Amazingly my hospital seems to be open this weekend, so maybe its a one off weekend opening event.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The real issue that there isn't enough staff to provide the 5 day care in hospitals let alone 7 days which is what the initial strikes were about. No amount of fiddling about with schedules will ever solve that..We need more staff to cover the shortages there are alrady.

No it's not, it's about pay, like it always is in any dispute.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No it's not, it's about pay, like it always is in any dispute.

For me it's about the blatent lies hunts told, the dodgy reports he's wheeled out that will be exposed in court with a little luck. This country, sit on the floor of a train and all hell breaks loose but mishandle something as important as the health service and no one bats an eye lid, unless of course you're a now cheesed of member of staff or a terrified patient.