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Junior Doctors Prepare For First Full Walk-Out

http://news.sky.com/story/1683748/ju...-full-walk-out

I know that some members wont like it. But l am in total agreement with what the Junior Doctors are going to do.

IF Jeremy Hunt had any braincells, he would get round the table for talks, and sort this problem out.

He is trying to prove that he is bigger than the BMA, and the NHS. Under Employment law, you CANNOT force and employee to accept a new contract, without talks.

And l have read that, Hunt will be breaking the law if he tries to enforce it.

And l think that 90% of the UK will support the NHS staff.

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Arthur, they've been 'round the table' since 2012...

http://m.bma.org.uk/working-for-chan...ground-to-2016

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dont agree with it myself.

They putting patients at risk by striking, and refusing to modernise their work practices. Health care isnt a monday to friday thing.

Also no consideration for the fact the NHS budget is at breaking point yet they want more money.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35833972)

NHS always seems to be at breaking point even when billions and billions have been added to it.

Where do these extra billions go?

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35833977)

NHS always seems to be at breaking point even when billions and billions have been added to it.

Where do these extra billions go?

well having seen the chancellors devious manipulation of figures i would imagine most of it is phantom money backed up by the most devious explanation ever[ "in real terms"] which instantly identifies it as rubbish .

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35833977)

NHS always seems to be at breaking point even when billions and billions have been added to it.

Where do these extra billions go?

Probably crazy admin costs ,i got a letter the other day for an appointment that i had already made and it was translated into just about every language i could think of so a simple confirmation letter turned into a 6 page book.

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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35833977)

Where do these extra billions go?

A lot of them are going toward the interest on various PFI loans and the costs involved in PFI contracts the Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's government used to finance new hospital buildings.

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Jeremy Hunt turns down last-gasp chance to avert most dangerous walkout in NHS history

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6998481.html

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It would be nice if both sides could get together and sort this out instead of this deep intransigence on both sides currently.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35834072)

Jeremy Hunt turns down last-gasp chance to avert most dangerous walkout in NHS history

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6998481.html

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A spokesman said: "We have always said that we want to introduce this contract in a phased way - for around 11% of junior doctors from August - precisely so any initial problems can be ironed out. That's why this is simply ill-informed political opportunism from the same Labour Party responsible for the flawed contracts we have now."

How is that turning down anything? It was HIS idea in the first place.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35834079)

It would be nice if both sides could get together and sort this out instead of this deep intransigence on both sides currently.

The only ones being intransigent are the doctors ,they have a good offer actually better than they originally wanted ,they need to stop whining and get on with their jobs

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The millions that is pumped into the NHS, is mostly wasted on Pen pushers on higher managers, on about 200 grand a year.

Jeremy Hunt has just employed a PR to get to the heart of the Junior Drs strike at 500 quid per DAY.

When you think the Junior Doctors was decent money, they are turned down yet management are on crazy money. And people ask, where does all the millions go. It doesn't go into the pockets, of the guys on the ground. Its also wasted on Private companies and Agency Nursing

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35834138)

Arthur, I know you and facts aren't comfortable neighbours, but I thought I might introduce you to some, just in case you wanted to have an informed conversation... ;)

http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/k...ics-on-the-nhs

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NHS staff

In 2014 the NHS employed 150,273 doctors, 377,191 qualified nursing staff, 155,960 qualified scientific, therapeutic and technical staff and 37,078 managers.

There were 32,467 additional doctors employed in the NHS in 2014 compared to 2004. The number has increased by an annual average of 2.5 per cent over that time.

There were 18,432 more NHS nurses in 2014 compared to ten years earlier. The number has increased by an annual average of 0.5 per cent over that period.

There were 5,729 more GPs and 1,688 more practice nurses employed by GPs in 2014 than ten years earlier.

There were 12,432 more qualified allied health professionals in 2014 compared to 2004. However the number of qualified healthcare scientists has declined for each of the past five years, with the number in 2014 874 below that of 2004.

50.6 per cent of NHS employees are professionally qualified clinical staff. A further 26.0 per cent provide support to clinical staff in roles such as nursing assistant practitioners, nursing assistant/auxiliaries and healthcare assistants.

An NHS Partners Network survey shows that more than 69,000 individuals are involved in providing front-line services to NHS patients among their membership. Approximately two-thirds are clinicians.

Since 2004 the number of professionally qualified clinical staff within the NHS has risen by 12.7 per cent. This rise includes an increase in doctors of 27.6 per cent; a rise in the number of nurses of 5.1 per cent; and 8.1 per cent more qualified ambulance staff.

Medical school intake rose from 3,749 in 1997/98 to 6,262 in 2012/13 - a rise of 67.0 per cent.

Management
Managers and senior managers accounted for 2.67 per cent of the 1.388 million staff employed by the NHS in 2014.

The number of managers and senior managers increased slightly in 2014, having declined in each of the previous four years. However 37,078 was the second lowest total since 2004.

In 2008/09 the management costs of the NHS had fallen from 5.0 per cent in 1997/98 to 3.0 per cent.

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Ok Hugh.,

So where does all the millions go, that is pumped into the NHS each year.

You cannot ask a Doctor, especially Junior Doctors to work extreme unsocial hours for a pittance of a wage,

All they are asking is a decent wage, what is wrong in that. Our lives are in THERE HANDS.

Its like me, l work with the vulnerable each day, and my wage has been pegged to 1%.

You cannot expect people to work for nothing

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35834150)

Ok Hugh.,

So where does all the millions go, that is pumped into the NHS each year.

You cannot ask a Doctor, especially Junior Doctors to work extreme unsocial hours for a pittance of a wage,

All they are asking is a decent wage, what is wrong in that. Our lives are in THERE HANDS.

Its like me, l work with the vulnerable each day, and my wage has been pegged to 1%.

You cannot expect people to work for nothing

Arthur, do you actually read anything that others post, or are you so busy raging against the dying of the light that you can't be bothered looking for a light switch?

In the quote I posted above what you have just posted, it says there are over 32000 more doctors than 10 years ago, over 18000 more nurses, and nearly 6000 more GPs and 1688 practice nurses, with an additional 12342 allied health professionals. Medical school intake has risen from 3749 per year in 1997 to 6262 per year in 2012/13.

If you clicked on the link I provided, you would have seen we now have 150,273 doctors, 377191 qualified nursing staff, and 155,960 qualified scientific, therapeutic and technical staff.

You would have seen that there were nearly 16 million hospital admission in 2014/15, nearly a third more than 10 years earlier; you would have seen that there were 22.364 million attendances at A&E in 2014/15, a quarter more than 10 years before; you would have seen there were 85.632 million outpatient attendances, and that there has been a 18.5% increase in emergency incidents in the last five years, and that there has been an increase in the people with diabetes to 3.2 million.

Arthur, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you...