Post-Brexit Thread

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by blackthorn

Why does it say that there are 76 pages, yet I cant get past 70 pages.

Same here. Not seen a similar problem on other threads so far. Times of posts tie in with there only being 70 pages.

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Thats the problem with todays youth they want it all for nothing...How can they vote for something when they don't even understand what they want themselves.

What age is it that you work all this out then? Does someone come up to you at 35 and give you all the answers to everything. It seems what you said could apply to anyone regardless of age.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Damien

Technically drug use amongst the young has been declining.

It's actually becoming an epidemic.
they want to change the law for drug driving because the courts can't cope with people opting to go to court to argue that they smoke weed for recreational and medical reasons. so as to avoid a ban and all that goes with it.

everywhere you go you smell weed on the roads. the driver in front is possibly stoned and he's driving like a TWiT.
The one behind you is driving like a TWit too. and he has kids in the car and according to him he's flying not driving.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Thats the problem with todays youth they want it all for nothing...How can they vote for something when they don't even understand what they want themselves.

Unless of course they are following the latest FAD. I don't think half of them were bothered about anything political related and those that were only moaned how it might affect their mobile tariff or latest make up etc

Plenty of people of all ages seem to have no idea what they voted for. A big spike in Google searches asking what the EU is is a hint there.

Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.

I'd speculate that there's always been a 'Generation Snowflake', just prior to the Internet those of us with no interest in associating with such people simply didn't hear what they have to say.

I'm pretty sure what you're saying above was a charge levied against us when we were younger, and indeed our parents in turn.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

it probably won't exist by then ,and any way you will be a member of the old folks club and no doubt think differently .
Don't hold your breath re the shuffling off the mortal coil you could have a long wait .
Its sad that you think democracy only works if old people are dead

It's sad that you seem to equate democracy with mob rule.

No-one of any gravitas thinks the UK won't invoke Article 50 now, however the views of all people as to our future relationship with the European Union should be heard, not just those who voted to leave, as it's something that impacts all of us.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

In what way is it not legally binding? True Parliament didn't have to act on it but they are. Whomever is Prime Minister has said so. The vote was a legal vote so the result stands whether or not Parliament act on it.

Because if it were legally binding Parliament wouldn't have any choice but to act on it.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

At the age of 38, married, kid, mortgage, I'm not sure I can be described as a 'youngster', but thank you I guess

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Originally Posted by Damien

Or different stages in people's lives mean their interests change. For example I don't see how experience decides the best thing for the economy is to increase pensions whilst increasing tuition fees. I suspect that's more self-interest rather than wisdom. Whereas young people are more likely support sharing out wealth since they haven't earned yet.

To be fair the 'young' should be out on the streets protesting over a bunch of things, not just the EU.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

No-one of any gravitas thinks the UK won't invoke Article 50 now, however the views of all people as to our future relationship with the European Union should be heard, not just those who voted to leave, as it's something that impacts all of us.[COLOR="Silver"]

I can't see what the issue is here. Even "us" leavers will agree we have no problem with a future relationship with the EU. We will trade with them, be their friend and ally. Just not at the expense of free movement of people for purposes of economic migration.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I can't see what the issue is here. Even "us" leavers will agree we have no problem with a future relationship with the EU. We will trade with them, be their friend and ally. Just not at the expense of free movement of people for purposes of economic migration.

The issue is that if we don't accept free movement we don't get free trade in goods and services.

Obviously those who voted to remain by default have no issue with free movement.

In surveys done since the voted the majority of people were fine with an EEA/EFTA relationship with the EU - this involves free movement, however it restores sovereignty to Parliament, which was according to the data the number 1 reason people voted to leave.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The issue is that if we don't accept free movement we don't get free trade in goods and services.

Who says so? No trade deal has been discussed as yet. Free movement is not a done deal to be able to trade with Europe otherwise Europe would only be able to trade within it's borders and a couple of countries on the periphery who's political elite wanted to join the EU.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Who says so? No trade deal has been discussed as yet. Free movement is not a done deal to be able to trade with Europe otherwise Europe would only be able to trade within it's borders and a couple of countries on the periphery who's political elite wanted to join the EU.

I specifically said 'free trade in goods and services'. Various member state leaders say so. All of whom must approve any deal.

[techguyone]

We need to hold fast, see who blinks first, this is uncharted territory for the EU.

The issue is that if we don't accept free movement we don't get free trade in goods and services.

That might be the case today, how about tomorrow, next week, a year?
I wouldn't think the EU want long term uncertainty either, it might well lead to more members exiting the wonderful club.

If the EU is like a house of cards and is stacked so precariously that if a couple of members leave, and it comes crashing down, was it really that stable to begin with?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I specifically said 'free trade in goods and services'. Various member state leaders say so. All of whom must approve any deal.

And if it were a case of deal or no deal who do you think would win?

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Technically drug use amongst the young has been declining.

On what planet is this? In my experience over the past 5 years even that is not the case. Everywhere you go up here someone is high or smoking cannabis

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I can't see what the issue is here. Even "us" leavers will agree we have no problem with a future relationship with the EU. We will trade with them, be their friend and ally. Just not at the expense of free movement of people for purposes of economic migration.

And there is the crux of the matter. Indeed we will continue to be friends and trade and I have no problem with that. The FoM problem is the main issue. I've a feeling if Theresa gets in she'll accept that. If she does, why did we have the referendum? We'll end up worse off still bound by the same conditions as when we were full members.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Who says so? No trade deal has been discussed as yet. Free movement is not a done deal to be able to trade with Europe otherwise Europe would only be able to trade within it's borders and a couple of countries on the periphery who's political elite wanted to join the EU.

And remember we have the upper hand here. If they want their 60% or whatever we traded then they are going to have to give something back. We don't import half as much from the EU as they do from us so this gives us the advantage. If Germany still want to trade cars they will have to think carefully about FoM.

An idea would be to suspend FoM until we got on our feet then have it by all means but we determine how many can come in. Then we put a 4 year brake on it and if we need more after that we let more in. Just an idea. Any thought anyone?

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Originally Posted by Damien

What age is it that you work all this out then? Does someone come up to you at 35 and give you all the answers to everything. It seems what you said could apply to anyone regardless of age.

No one gives you the answers, you learn from experience.

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Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.

Indeed and in time they will realise what a big favour we did them by leaving the EU. On the News the other day it was said that the day after we left they loosened control on all their borders and let out plans for an European Army and that it was the beginning of a Super State.


We have saved the young from becoming part of a Big Brother Super State. What does it matter if a phone call costs a bit more? You were prepared to pay it before roaming came in. What does it matter if a holiday costs more? They would have increased the prices anyway.

Believe you me, we have saved your bacon and 43 years of experience gives me the right to say that. There's no on line site to bring you evidence it's just experience of the EU.

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Originally Posted by techguyone View Post
That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

It's not strange at all. It's experience. I've been through all the Political phases in my lifetime from Communist to UKIP and now I've settled on the latter.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I specifically said 'free trade in goods and services'. Various member state leaders say so. All of whom must approve any deal.

No point in negotiations then is there? That's us told!

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The issue is that if we don't accept free movement we don't get free trade in goods and services.
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We need to get past the need for free trade and services ,if it's possible to get free trade and still restrict movement then fine but we certainly do not need or want to get one at the expense of the other .We need to be far less reliant on the financial service sector ,it's a case of all our eggs in one basket anyway so dump some financial services to france and start building up some manufacturing

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

No point in negotiations then is there? That's us told!

Seems to me that there is a definite lack of free thinking here .There is too much obsession with free trade ,financial services ,freedom of movement ,it's almost as if people think the UK is incapable of functioning outside the EU and for some totally baffling reason ,according to some ,we have to have at all costs free trade ,it's quite baffling.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

On what planet is this? In my experience over the past 5 years even that is not the case. Everywhere you go up here someone is high or smoking cannabis

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And there is the crux of the matter. Indeed we will continue to be friends and trade and I have no problem with that. The FoM problem is the main issue. I've a feeling if Theresa gets in she'll accept that. If she does, why did we have the referendum? We'll end up worse off still bound by the same conditions as when we were full members.

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And remember we have the upper hand here. If they want their 60% or whatever we traded then they are going to have to give something back. We don't import half as much from the EU as they do from us so this gives us the advantage. If Germany still want to trade cars they will have to think carefully about FoM.

An idea would be to suspend FoM until we got on our feet then have it by all means but we determine how many can come in. Then we put a 4 year brake on it and if we need more after that we let more in. Just an idea. Any thought anyone?

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No one gives you the answers, you learn from experience.

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Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.

Indeed and in time they will realise what a big favour we did them by leaving the EU. On the News the other day it was said that the day after we left they loosened control on all their borders and let out plans for an European Army and that it was the beginning of a Super State.


We have saved the young from becoming part of a Big Brother Super State. What does it matter if a phone call costs a bit more? You were prepared to pay it before roaming came in. What does it matter if a holiday costs more? They would have increased the prices anyway.

Believe you me, we have saved your bacon and 43 years of experience gives me the right to say that. There's no on line site to bring you evidence it's just experience of the EU.

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Originally Posted by techguyone View Post
That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

It's not strange at all. It's experience. I've been through all the Political phases in my lifetime from Communist to UKIP and now I've settled on the latter.

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No point in negotiations then is there? That's us told!

You have your statistics confused - whilst we import 54% of our goods and services from the EU, that is only 16% of their goods and services exports...

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Same here. Not seen a similar problem on other threads so far. Times of posts tie in with there only being 70 pages.

Looks like it was just a glitch while someone had all their posts removed - the page numbering just took a few mins to catch up.

Cheers

Grim

[techguyone]

I'm still seeing a phantom (in my case p 12) showing that I can't get to.