Post-Brexit Thread - Page 76

papa smurf · 09-07-2016, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

No Parliament may bind its successors.

If you prefer, once enough of you 'older folk' have shuffled off the mortal coil, us younger folk can most certainly elect politicians who will pursue membership of the European Union on our behalf.

Won't be with terms anywhere near as good as the ones we had of course, but many may well consider it a price worth paying.

it probably won't exist by then ,and any way you will be a member of the old folks club and no doubt think differently .
Don't hold your breath re the shuffling off the mortal coil you could have a long wait .
Its sad that you think democracy only works if old people are dead

Big Brian · 09-07-2016, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Clueless.

As far as the rest goes a quick look into the comments tells a story.

What a charmer.

The irony of a newspaper that as part of its business model stirs up racial hatred publishing something like this is priceless.

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Que?

Royal assent is required for all Acts of Parliament - it's how they become law. The European Union Referendum Act certainly had royal assent, it had to, but this means nothing for whether or not the result is legally binding - it is not.

In what way is it not legally binding? True Parliament didn't have to act on it but they are. Whomever is Prime Minister has said so. The vote was a legal vote so the result stands whether or not Parliament act on it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

So, since the Tories won the last General Election, you can come on board and be happy with a Conservative Government...

I have no choice as it was the will of the people which is what democracy is, therefore I have to and do accept it.

Stuart · 09-07-2016, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

In what way is it not legally binding? True Parliament didn't have to act on it but they are. Whomever is Prime Minister has said so. The vote was a legal vote so the result stands whether or not Parliament act on it.

The fact that Parliament are likely to act on the vote does not mean the result of the vote is legally binding. They can just as easily ignore it. From what I read, unless specified otherwise in the act where they are defined, Referendums are purely advisory in our country.

OK, so it is likely that we will leave the EU, but bear in mind that any Prime Minister would need to get MPs to agree to a lot of different things including invoking Article 50. In a house where even though the government has a good majority, it's believed most MPs voted to remain. OK, so they will (hopefully) be looking at what their constituents want, but nationally, this was not a landslide, so they may not be convinced.

09-07-2016, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Stuart

The fact that Parliament are likely to act on the vote does not mean the result of the vote is legally binding. They can just as easily ignore it. From what I read, unless specified otherwise in the act where they are defined, Referendums are purely advisory in our country.

OK, so it is likely that we will leave the EU, but bear in mind that any Prime Minister would need to get MPs to agree to a lot of different things including invoking Article 50. In a house where even though the government has a good majority, it's believed most MPs voted to remain. OK, so they will (hopefully) be looking at what their constituents want, but nationally, this was not a landslide, so they may not be convinced.

Quite agree

The prime minister has royal prerogative to invoke A50 so in that respect doesn't need the permission of parliament ,but the Government ,headed by the PM has no legal right to change UK laws ,only parliament can enact law or repeal law .Invoking A50 will have the obvious intention of stripping away all our legal rights as EU citizens ,only Parliament can do this and as you say the result was very close and a lot of mp's where remainers ,whether they will risk the wrath of the majority and go against the result of a referendum remains to be seen .....but they could

techguyone · 09-07-2016, 20:45

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

it probably won't exist by then ,and any way you will be a member of the old folks club and no doubt think differently .
Don't hold your breath re the shuffling off the mortal coil you could have a long wait .
Its sad that you think democracy only works if old people are dead

That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

**Damien** · 09-07-2016, 20:51

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Originally Posted by techguyone

That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

Or different stages in people's lives mean their interests change. For example I don't see how experience decides the best thing for the economy is to increase pensions whilst increasing tuition fees. I suspect that's more self-interest rather than wisdom. Whereas young people are more likely support sharing out wealth since they haven't earned yet.

Jimmy-J · 09-07-2016, 22:05

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Rubbish ...

I know it is.

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Obnoxious individual. Claiming that "we" saved Democracy, etc. etc. He is a good example of why this country will be divided for a generation or more.

I take it you're not that keen on him then.

TheDaddy · 10-07-2016, 01:07

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

BREAKING NEWS: Government REJECTS petition calling for second Brexit referendum signed by four million people

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4DuttiyyF
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Originally Posted by denphone

No surprise there..

Actually I'm surprised it didn't warrant a debate at least, biggest online petition or one of them I'd imagine and it doesn't even get a mention in the house.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Nobody has a problem with remainers voicing their opinions just the way that many have chosen to do it with insults and insinuations.

Insults, insinuation and facts don't forget facts, according to leaves leader leavers aren't keen on them and prefer a donald trump style type of campaign, it's hilarious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7111001.html

10-07-2016, 03:33

Many of us weren't interested in the campaigns of either side our decision was made long before the referendum and that applies to as many remain as leave. After I caught first sight of the campaigns it was pretty clear how it was going to progress and apart from the numerous occasions where channel hopping landed me in on either campaign I had no interest. My reasons and the reasons of most I know are still completely intact and are still just as valid, I have to confess I have no idea what generation snowflake is though I'm seeing mention of it more and more.

We are supposed to be a democracy and that can't just apply as long as it's only when 75% or greater agree on something this was, is and will be a contentious issue but we have got to stop tearing each other apart over it.

papa smurf · 10-07-2016, 08:10

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Many of us weren't interested in the campaigns of either side our decision was made long before the referendum and that applies to as many remain as leave. After I caught first sight of the campaigns it was pretty clear how it was going to progress and apart from the numerous occasions where channel hopping landed me in on either campaign I had no interest. My reasons and the reasons of most I know are still completely intact and are still just as valid, I have to confess I have no idea what generation snowflake is though I'm seeing mention of it more and more.

We are supposed to be a democracy and that can't just apply as long as it's only when 75% or greater agree on something this was, is and will be a contentious issue but we have got to stop tearing each other apart over it.

this will explain
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/g...us-cry-babies/

10-07-2016, 08:17

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

this will explain
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/g...us-cry-babies/

I thought they where called that because they have a penchant for snorting coke

**Hugh** · 10-07-2016, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

In what way is it not legally binding? True Parliament didn't have to act on it but they are. Whomever is Prime Minister has said so. The vote was a legal vote so the result stands whether or not Parliament act on it.

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I have no choice as it was the will of the people which is what democracy is, therefore I have to and do accept it.

But you feel able to complain about the outcome without being called a loser and a whinger...

**Damien** · 10-07-2016, 11:19

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Originally Posted by martyh

I thought they where called that because they have a penchant for snorting coke

Technically drug use amongst the young has been declining.

Gavin78 · 10-07-2016, 11:35

Thats the problem with todays youth they want it all for nothing...How can they vote for something when they don't even understand what they want themselves.

Unless of course they are following the latest FAD. I don't think half of them were bothered about anything political related and those that were only moaned how it might affect their mobile tariff or latest make up etc

blackthorn · 10-07-2016, 11:36

Why does it say that there are 76 pages, yet I cant get past 70 pages.
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