Junior Doctors Prepare For First Full Walk-Out

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So you're saying it's not forming part of the negotiations, wonder why the contracts legality is going to be questioned in court regarding discrimination if so.

Actually, it's whether the Health Secretary has the power to impose a contract that is being challenged, not whether the contract itself is legal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6988831.html

The revelation comes ahead of a High Court Challenge on Monday, which initiates a judicial review of the lawfulness of the Health Secretary’s right to impose the contract.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, it's whether the Health Secretary has the power to impose a contract that is being challenged, not whether the contract itself is legal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6988831.html

Or it could be there's a lot of legal action going on

The BMA, in its legal claim, alleges that the government failed to "pay due regard" to the equalities impact of the new contracts and is calling for a judicial review.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35959865

[nomadking]

We're not talking about shelf stackers here. If somebody has spent 2 of the last 5 years away from medicine, IT MATTERS. They are in TRAINING. If actually being present doesn't matter, why aren't the ones that stay there, given the same level of credit? If somebody has spent 2 of the last 5 years away, shouldn't that make them equivalent to somebody who has spent a full 3 years, and certainly not ahead of somebody who has spent a full 4 years. That would be the real discrimination.

[papa smurf]

http://news.sky.com/story/1698292/ju...ct-deal-agreed


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7036376.html



Junior Doctors To Vote As Contract Deal Agreed
No further strikes will be called ahead of the vote which follows 10 days of "intensive" talks aimed at breaking the deadlock.

[denphone]

At last common sense has prevailed hopefully..

[Osem]

It'll be intriguing to find out what has changed to make the contract acceptable and render the accusations that it was unsafe for patients no longer applicable.

Good news for all involved.

Well they have only agreed to put it to a vote..Let's wait until the ballot is finished and keep our fingers crossed in the mean time.

[nomadking]

Will be interesting to see whether the changes were enough to justify a strike. The differences seemed to be fairly minimal, and the Dept of Health had already made concessions in their favour, eg increased %age pay rise, some increases for Saturday working.

[Osem]

Well it seems that, according to leaked BMA emails, pay was the main reason for their stance on the strikes and it was an opportunity to stick it to HMG:

http://order-order.com/2016/05/26/se...real-red-line/

A massive leak of private WhatsApp messages reveals pay was “the only real red line” for the BMA junior doctors leadership. Despite the BMA publicly claiming the strike was about patient safety, senior BMA junior doctor committee member Kitty Mohan admitted:


“It [pay] is the only real red line. It’s the thing 99 per cent of juniors told us they were upset about in August...”


... Committee chair Dr Johann Malawana said drawing out the dispute was the “best solution… to impose [the contract] against our support”. Dr Malawana said he “had nothing to talk about” with the Department for Health, despite the BMA publicly calling the government to the table. He also said:


“I don’t care about anything apart from extracting the best contract. Don’t give a **** about anything else.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...blame-the-bma/

http://www.hsj.co.uk/topics/workforc...ontentID=15303

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36714792

Junior doctors and medical students in England have voted to reject the contract that has been offered to them by the government.

British Medical Association members voted 58% to 42% against accepting the deal.

BMA leaders had urged members to accept the terms, which were announced in May after talks with the government resumed following six strikes.

BMA junior doctor leader Johann Malawana immediately resigned.

[Mr K]

Mmmm. Seems the Doctors are more ****ed off that we and their Union leaders thought. That's bad news for all of us, on top of the anticipated exit of foreign staff.. NHS RIP.

[denphone]

Not so sure its the death of the NHS Mr K....

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well they have only agreed to put it to a vote..Let's wait until the ballot is finished and keep our fingers crossed in the mean time.

You were right to be cautious .

[Gavin78]

I think they are from a generation of spoiled brats we seemed to have have bred this day and age.

They want everything for nothing and don't want to work for anything. I certainly don't support them I think they are being greedy and its about time we start putting our foot down