[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

https://www.rt.com/news/341246-labor...otests-france/

Comes to something when we have to rely on RT...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Taf

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fra...-idUKKCN0XP1LO

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You'll have to look at non-UK-controlled media

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36166252

Rioting over objections to:

The proposed law, which will be debated in parliament next week, would remove some of the protection workers enjoy against being laid off, in a bid to encourage businesses to hire more people.

[Taf]

It sounds quite innocent and transparent, but it's not. And the French workforce knows it, and expects more "reforms" to follow.

Originally Posted by Osem

https://www.rt.com/news/341246-labor...otests-france/

Comes to something when we have to rely on RT...

Thanks

Something that is good and worth being a part of doesn't need to threaten or scare to keep you wanting in and staying in. Obama and numerous euro prats threatening trade this and trade that have simply stiffened my resolve to vote out of this corrupt monstrosity and for the UK to be free to operate in it's own interests rather then those of the EU. Will there be consequences of us leaving, of course there will but at least we will have the power to deal with those consequences in a beneficial way unlike now. Biggest consequence of us leaving will be French and German citizens wanting to get out as well and that's the real agenda behind all the threats and scare tactics they know damn if we leave it is no longer if the EU collapses but when it happens.

[Big Brian]

Well that's one less card the Remain card can play. EU Protects Workers' Rights. I don't think so.

VOTE LEAVE and take back our Sovereignty.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Well that's one less card the Remain card can play. EU Protects Workers' Rights. I don't think so.

VOTE LEAVE and take back our Sovereignty.

Errr, no. The EU sets a minimum level of workers rights. The French have always enjoyed a higher level of rights than the minimum set out by the EU which includes things like paid holidays, protection from discrimination, parental leave, and health and safety.

The French are protesting the removal of lower working hours than the WTD legislates for and lowering the protection from losing jobs, removing 'jobs for life'.

[Mr K]

Sovereignty is the last thing to vote on. Our Empire went a long time ago; we're a small country. Vote on jobs, trade and the economy.

[techguyone]

Sovereignty in this case means having the ability to govern ourselves, within our borders, rather than having a foreign power tell us what we can or can't do, even override our legal process etc. Who wouldn't want the ability to have control of their own affairs - in their own country.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Something that is good and worth being a part of doesn't need to threaten or scare to keep you wanting in and staying in. Obama and numerous euro prats threatening trade this and trade that have simply stiffened my resolve to vote out of this corrupt monstrosity and for the UK to be free to operate in it's own interests rather then those of the EU. Will there be consequences of us leaving, of course there will but at least we will have the power to deal with those consequences in a beneficial way unlike now. Biggest consequence of us leaving will be French and German citizens wanting to get out as well and that's the real agenda behind all the threats and scare tactics they know damn if we leave it is no longer if the EU collapses but when it happens.

Agree totally.

I think the concerted scaremongering has done far more damage to the remain side that the leave side. Thus far I don't think I've heard a single major remain supporter concede that there's even the slightest possible benefit to us getting out. It's really quite laughable but it demonstrates the extent of their self interest. Many of those piling on the scare stories from outside the UK aren't half as interested in our long term wellbeing as they are protecting their own interests or simply trying to avert the inevitable fallout from us leaving. Yes, of course there can be mutually beneficial interests in certain areas but taking the whole, I think our interests are best served getting out. I believe the EU is a dead man walking so whatever fallout there's going to be is inevitable whatever we do. The Eurocrats feel we're rocking the boat and they don't like their empire being threatened, even as it slowly crumbles before their eyes. They'd rather carry on in denial and prefer us to carry on paying for the privilege of buying their exports and providing jobs for millions of migrants from poorer countries which can't offer them a decent way of life. If we stay in I think we'll be treated with even less respect than we already are. I can understand very well why they don't want us to leave but I'm afraid their reasons have little if anything to do with our interests. The EU is doomed whatever we decide, all we can do is decide whether to get off the ship before it sinks or go down with it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Sovereignty in this case means having the ability to govern ourselves, within our borders, rather than having a foreign power tell us what we can or can't do, even override our legal process etc. Who wouldn't want the ability to have control of their own affairs - in their own country.

Unfortunately sovereignty in the UKs case, would mean another set of even more right wing incompetent Tories free to run havoc for 4 years. The rich would become very rich, the rest would have their rights and protections swept away and become much poorer. It's a nightmare scenario.

[techguyone]

Irrelevant against the bigger scheme of the EU, we already know politics runs cyclically, the present govt won't be in power forever.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unfortunately sovereignty in the UKs case, would mean another set of even more right wing incompetent Tories free to run havoc for 4 years. The rich would become very rich, the rest would have their rights and protections swept away and become much poorer. It's a nightmare scenario.

Although not as bad as the left wing incompetents.

Definitely a good reason for remaining in Europe.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Errr, no. The EU sets a minimum level of workers rights. The French have always enjoyed a higher level of rights than the minimum set out by the EU which includes things like paid holidays, protection from discrimination, parental leave, and health and safety.

The French are protesting the removal of lower working hours than the WTD legislates for and lowering the protection from losing jobs, removing 'jobs for life'.

When I was working I got paid holidays and that was before the EU.

These things are and were available in the EU. You don't need the EU for them. Can you imagine the uproar if they tried taking them away after a Brexit. Think again.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Something that is good and worth being a part of doesn't need to threaten or scare to keep you wanting in and staying in. Obama and numerous euro prats threatening trade this and trade that have simply stiffened my resolve to vote out of this corrupt monstrosity and for the UK to be free to operate in it's own interests rather then those of the EU. Will there be consequences of us leaving, of course there will but at least we will have the power to deal with those consequences in a beneficial way unlike now. Biggest consequence of us leaving will be French and German citizens wanting to get out as well and that's the real agenda behind all the threats and scare tactics they know damn if we leave it is no longer if the EU collapses but when it happens.

If the EU is so good, why use scare tactics? If it's that good we'll all vote to stay, surely?

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Sovereignty is the last thing to vote on. Our Empire went a long time ago; we're a small country. Vote on jobs, trade and the economy.

Indeed. All of which can be achieved outside the EU without the red tape and expense of being in the EU.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Unfortunately sovereignty in the UKs case, would mean another set of even more right wing incompetent Tories free to run havoc for 4 years. The rich would become very rich, the rest would have their rights and protections swept away and become much poorer. It's a nightmare scenario.

In or out that is going to happen anyway. Who can you put in their place? It's happened in Scotland and will happen in R-UK as well.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Errr, no. The EU sets a minimum level of workers rights. The French have always enjoyed a higher level of rights than the minimum set out by the EU which includes things like paid holidays, protection from discrimination, parental leave, and health and safety.

The French are protesting the removal of lower working hours than the WTD legislates for and lowering the protection from losing jobs, removing 'jobs for life'.

But each country has to individually pass the laws anyway. There is no reason that the UK can't pass it's own laws even after any exit. If the French had only stuck to the EU minimum, but felt they needed to cut back on that to help unemployment, they wouldn't be able to. Even if 99% of the French had agreed with the cuts. The Germans can't allow other countries in the EU to have more favourable business environments and so use the EU to impose the same level of restrictions as they have.