[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by techguyone

This is TTIP for those unaware.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...u-9779688.html

And this is what happens when it's imposed on Canada:

A report commissioned by the British government reveals that major U.S. corporates have sued the Canadian government for billions of dollars under a clause of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Despite this, U.S. President Barack Obama told a press conference in Germany this weekend that “none of these [corporate law suits] had happened with the many trade agreements that currently exist”.

Speaking on the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) in a question and answer session alongside Germany Chancellor Angela Merkel on Sunday, President Obama specifically made reference to the Investor-State Dispute Settlement clause of TTIP, which is causing consternation across Europe for fears of U.S. companies suing national governments across Europe.

a report from 2013 reveals that U.S. corporates up until 2013 have sued the Canadian government for up to $2 billion and that the UK “would be more prone to US claims than Canada”.

These suits were brought against the Canadian tax payer for issues such as governmental bans on additives, denial of licences, and the U.S. Postal Service even sued the Canadian postal service for “anti-competitive practices”. In practice, the same kind of suit could be brought against Britain’s National Health Service (NHS), as being government-run makes it an effective monopoly and therefore “anti-competitive”.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

And this is what happens when it's imposed on Canada:

And from 38degrees:- Breaking news: the government’s official report into TTIP found the deal has “lots of risks and no benefit” to the UK. Politicians covered up the report for the last three years, but yesterday it was exposed for the first time.

Full report linked to at the bottom of this page.

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/851

[Osem]

Politicians telling porkies eh? Americans wanting their cake and eating it? Who'd have thought...

Seems like the best way to save the NHS is to vote out of the EU and out of TTIP.

The forum suddenly become very left-wing all of a sudden.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

The forum suddenly become very left-wing all of a sudden.

That depends on what part of the scale you're viewing it from.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

The forum suddenly become very left-wing all of a sudden.

I have always leaned to the left.

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Brexit Economists Hit Back With Report Showing U.K. Would Thrive

Brexit campaigners sought to seize back the initiative in the referendum battle as eight high-profile economists declared Britain would do better outside the European Union.

More Here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...k-would-thrive

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

The forum suddenly become very left-wing all of a sudden.

Well there are certainly all sorts on this forum that's for sure.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I have always leaned to the left.

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Brexit Economists Hit Back With Report Showing U.K. Would Thrive

Brexit campaigners sought to seize back the initiative in the referendum battle as eight high-profile economists declared Britain would do better outside the European Union.

More Here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...k-would-thrive

Don't forget to mention that to your tailor, otherwise you can get a splitting headache....

[Ignitionnet]

Good God the headlines from the Express MAKE me WANT to KILL someone.

How does anyone with an IQ above that of a headless chicken take a 'news' story seriously after it starts off with such absurb hyperbole, complete with drunken use of capitalisation?

[Big Brian]

Former UK cabinet minister Owen Paterson has delivered

His basic point is that the EU is not the ‘status quo’ but something that is rapidly moving to destinations that are uncertain and dangerous, particularly for the UK; and that being outside is the safer, more stable option.

His basic point is that the EU is not the ‘status quo’ but something that is rapidly moving to destinations that are uncertain and dangerous, particularly for the UK; and that being outside is the safer, more stable option.

Take the eurozone. It is rapidly becoming one country, says Paterson. In order to deal with the imbalances that the fixed currency has only exacerbated, it needs to centralise decision making on budgets and bailouts. Plans for this are well advanced, eurozone sovereignty is being pooled, members’ discretion over their own budgets is being curbed and the Eurozone will in effect be its own political union by 2025 – just nine years away. That is a very different kind of EU that is being envisaged, and not one that strikes a chord in the UK.

Read More Here: http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/owen-p...-brexit-patter

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

The forum suddenly become very left-wing all of a sudden.

I'm neither right nor left. I'm just a realist. I haven't voted in about 40 yrs as there was no option that would have changed anything for me.

I will be voting in the upcoming EU referendum as that is a change I've been looking for, for the last 40yrs or so.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm neither right nor left. I'm just a realist. I haven't voted in about 40 yrs as there was no option that would have changed anything for me.

I will be voting in the upcoming EU referendum as that is a change I've been looking for, for the last 40yrs or so.

Think you're going to be disappointed. Don't stop voting though, I'd be in favour of an uprising but democracy is probably the way to go If turn out is less than 50%, I think there's a case for either side to dismiss the result.

Having said that I am making a point of not voting in the Police Commissioner elections as that is an utter waste of time and money.

[Taf]

Hmmm... the BBC and other media are being very quiet about the riots in France today.

"The EU defends workers' rights, vote to stay in the EU".

So why are thousands of workers rioting on the streets across the country against legislation which will slash their rights, delay pensions, and soon spread through the EU?

I can't find anything on the internet about riots in France today?

[Taf]

More than a hundred demonstrators were detained and 24 security officers injured as clashes broke out during protests across France against planned labour law reforms on Thursday, the interior minister said.

Striking workers burned tyres and tens of thousands of protesters marched through the streets in Paris, Rennes, Nantes, Marseille and other cities.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fra...-idUKKCN0XP1LO

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I can't find anything on the internet about riots in France today?

You'll have to look at non-UK-controlled media