[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Problem is Brian, its the way most Tories think. Spending on the NHS won't be a priority, tax cuts for the rich will ( see George's Fudget as an example of this).

Indeed they do but I don't think Labour would let them away with it.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Indeed they do but I don't think Labour would let them away with it.

The amazing and diverse people of The UK will not let them get away with it. Labour are currently incapable of achieving anything.

Is anyone ever going to tell Corbyns Labour that the average man now has access to the Internet, 24 hour news, smart phones, it's not 1970 anymore. News channels can tell us what they want. But the many many pro and anti establishment websites will give us a balanced view. An we can be trusted to get our news from many sources.

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://fullfact.org/health/health-t...-and-who-pays/

Thanks for that. I do like that website.

I think that would suggest the NHS is not being driven to breaking point by EU migration. £1.8 billion (or let's say £2.1 billion) on a budget of around £100 billion, even if we say those that come here don't contribute a penny, isn't ramming it.

I would think the NHS is being strained far more by an ageing population. In fact diabetes alone is costing the NHS £13 billion! :arm: I didn't expect that figure when I googled it.

Personally I don't think the NHS is going too badly hit either way. The problems it does have seem to me to be far more systematic and deep-rooted than the EU and the solution to those problems probably don't involve the EU either.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Damien

Thanks for that. I do like that website.

I think that would suggest the NHS is not being driven to breaking point by EU migration. £1.8 billion (or let's say £2.1 billion) on a budget of around £100 billion, even if we say those that come here don't contribute a penny, isn't ramming it.

I would think the NHS is being strained far more by an ageing population. In fact diabetes alone is costing the NHS £13 billion! :arm: I didn't expect that figure when I googled it.

Personally I don't think the NHS is going too badly hit either way. The problems it does have seem to me to be far more systematic and deep-rooted than the EU and the solution to those problems probably don't involve the EU either.

£100Billion is only around £14 per person per year in the UK, unfortunately that's not the reality. The selfish people crippling the NHS don't care as they abuse it week in and week out. The alcoholics, the smokers the "bad back" or "bad knee" brigade.

The only sad thing about the NHS is it relies on honesty. I know someone who relies on the NHS due to a bad back, doesn't seem to stop him carrying 7tonnes of fishing equipment to his Mobility car then half a mile to his fishing peg. He doesn't care about the NHS, he is selfish and nasty.

Originally Posted by Damien

I would think the NHS is being strained far more by an ageing population. In fact diabetes alone is costing the NHS £13 billion! :arm: I didn't expect that figure when I googled it.

Hence the sugar tax. Booze, fags and bad diet are the real reasons our NHS is groaning under the pressure.

The principal downside of a health system without any form of co-payment is it removes all incentive for the users to try to avoid having to.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by tweedle

£100Billion is only around £14 per person per year in the UK, unfortunately that's not the reality. The selfish people crippling the NHS don't care as they abuse it week in and week out. The alcoholics, the smokers the "bad back" or "bad knee" brigade.

The only sad thing about the NHS is it relies on honesty. I know someone who relies on the NHS due to a bad back, doesn't seem to stop him carrying 7tonnes of fishing equipment to his Mobility car then half a mile to his fishing peg. He doesn't care about the NHS, he is selfish and nasty.

Eh?

£100bn shared across the entire population of the UK is more like £1,500 per person.

[tweedle]

Originally Posted by Osem

Eh?

Forgive me, I'm stupid lol.

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Originally Posted by Chris

£100bn shared across the entire population of the UK is more like £1,500 per person.

OMG , I seem to have done my math based on £1 billion lolol. I admit it, I apologise, I'm taking the shame. So everyone who works an contributes pays at least £30 a week to the NHS.


When you think about it, XXX unemployed , XXX below the income tax threshold, XXX paid I sickness benefits,PiP, ESA, JSA, Tax credits, child benefit ......

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by tweedle

The amazing and diverse people of The UK will not let them get away with it. Labour are currently incapable of achieving anything.

Is anyone ever going to tell Corbyns Labour that the average man now has access to the Internet, 24 hour news, smart phones, it's not 1970 anymore. News channels can tell us what they want. But the many many pro and anti establishment websites will give us a balanced view. An we can be trusted to get our news from many sources.

And who was it that defeated the Disability cuts? Labour and the SNP.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Thanks for that. I do like that website.

I think that would suggest the NHS is not being driven to breaking point by EU migration. £1.8 billion (or let's say £2.1 billion) on a budget of around £100 billion, even if we say those that come here don't contribute a penny, isn't ramming it.

I would think the NHS is being strained far more by an ageing population. In fact diabetes alone is costing the NHS £13 billion! :arm: I didn't expect that figure when I googled it.

Personally I don't think the NHS is going too badly hit either way. The problems it does have seem to me to be far more systematic and deep-rooted than the EU and the solution to those problems probably don't involve the EU either.

£2.1 bn. can buy a lot of Doctors and Nurses and allow the NHS to run more smoothly.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

£100bn shared across the entire population of the UK is more like £1,500 per person.

Just waiting for someone from the IN campaign to come on here claiming that if we had more EU migrants that figure would be lower...

Originally Posted by Big Brian

£2.1 bn. can buy a lot of Doctors and Nurses and allow the NHS to run more smoothly.

It's hardly enough to make a big dent in the NHS and besides that was purposefully excluding any contributions made by EU citizens either though taxation or staffing. In the context of government budgets £2.1 billion is a drop in the ocean.

And if we don't see the perfect trade deals the Out campaign are saying we'll get and the economy does stutter then far more than £2.1 billion will be wiped from government coffers in a blink of the eye.

[Ignitionnet]

To be fair the 'remain' side don't need to do much, they can rely on the ineptitude of leave.eu and, to a lesser extent, Vote Leave to do their job for them.

It would be awesome if those two could pack in their urinating contest.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's hardly enough to make a big dent in the NHS and besides that was purposefully excluding any contributions made by EU citizens either though taxation or staffing. In the context of government budgets £2.1 billion is a drop in the ocean.

And if we don't see the perfect trade deals the Out campaign are saying we'll get and the economy does stutter then far more than £2.1 billion will be wiped from government coffers in a blink of the eye.

No one from Out has ever claimed we will get 'perfect trade deals'. We don't exactly have perfect ones now. What we are saying is they can't be much worse and won't have so many conditions and red tape attached to them.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

To be fair the 'remain' side don't need to do much, they can rely on the ineptitude of leave.eu and, to a lesser extent, Vote Leave to do their job for them.

It would be awesome if those two could pack in their urinating contest.

Oh I don't know. I think the Tories are doing a pretty good job for Leave at the moment.

[Osem]

The EU's doing a pretty good job for the OUT campaign too. Chaos and disharmony almost everywhere you look...

Originally Posted by Big Brian

And who was it that defeated the Disability cuts? Labour and the SNP.

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£2.1 bn. can buy a lot of Doctors and Nurses and allow the NHS to run more smoothly.

The defeat in the House of Lords had nothing to do with the SNP...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6838581.html

Peers rejected the cut by 283 votes to 198 – a majority of 85 for the opposition, which mainly comprised of Labour, Liberal Democrat, and crossbench peers.