Unstoppable migration?

[Ramrod]

Hang on, there is more: sex harassment in Helsinki at New Year, Finnish police report

Finnish police reported on Thursday an unusually high level of sexual harassment in Helsinki on New Year's Eve and said they had been tipped off about plans by groups of asylum seekers to sexually harass women.

"There hasn't been this kind of harassment on previous New Year's Eves or other occasions for that matter... This is a completely new phenomenon in Helsinki," the Finnish capital's deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki told AFP.

Security guards hired to patrol the city on New Year's Eve told police there had been "widespread sexual harassment" at a central square where around 20,000 people had gathered for celebrations.

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A 28-year-old woman traveling alone on the Paris RER express train on 9 December found herself under attack from a group of men who turned out to be Afghan refugees.....she was joined by about ten men who boarded at Montparnasse station. It is reported they had been in the notorious Bois de Boulogne park in order to procure sex with transvestites....

What would be the logic behind these attacks happening on the same night? Is it suggested New Years Eve is a special event for this type of thing or that it was coordinated? It's a bit odd.

[techguyone]

Easy targets in large numbers I'd expect. Bit of a captive audience really.

[Taf]

I often think that when I see the lurkers near the nightclubs at kick-out time. Tipsy or drunk ladies are an easier target.

[Ramrod]

I reported a few weeks ago that Austria had sold out of shotguns.
Now German Shops Sell Out of Pepper Spray

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Originally Posted by Damien

What would be the logic behind these attacks happening on the same night? Is it suggested New Years Eve is a special event for this type of thing or that it was coordinated? It's a bit odd.

It is odd. More: Multiple New Year’s Eve Sex Attacks In Sweden

Just like in Cologne, the men allegedly encircled their victims, trapping them, before groping and assaulting them.

[nashville]

Thanks Taf. Best to you for 2016,

I mean several attacks of the same type across Europe at the same time? Why? This isn't the type of crime that requires cross-country coordination. Taken at face value it makes little sense.

Either:

1) This is a coordinated plan but if so to what end?
2) All of those involved come from the same place where doing this on New Years Eve as some sort of ritual is normal.
3) People are seeing a connection where there is none. Cologne was the event in question and other sexual assaults are being retrofitted into that 'narrative' incorrectly.

What happened in Cologne is bad enough but if the exact same thing happened in other cities at the same time then something else is happening here. There has to be something to this story that we're missing.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

What would be the logic behind these attacks happening on the same night? Is it suggested New Years Eve is a special event for this type of thing or that it was coordinated? It's a bit odd.

These migrants have made their way to their host countries having made full use of the internet and social media to spread information about routes, border problems, sources of assistance etc. etc. Although they may be separated now, they all still have access to their 'networks' and so I'm sure the word spread in just the same way. Was is some planned, hostile act? I don't think so but I'd say that groups of bored, frustrated, drunk and even angry young men may well have thought it seemed like a good idea at the time and word spread to other groups elsewhere.

When things go pear shaped you can bet these very same mechanisms are and will be used to spread information. These people know full well that their strength is in organised numbers so I'm sure more of this co-ordinated behaviour will follow when, for example, police action is taken or deportations authorised.

We've seen similar use of social media in the UK during various riots and demonstrations.

Originally Posted by Osem

These migrants have made their way to their host countries having made full use of the internet and social media to spread information about routes, border problems, sources of assistance etc. etc. Although they may be separated now, they all still have access to their 'networks' and so I'm sure the word spread in just the same way. Was is some planned, hostile act? I don't think so but I'd say that groups of bored, frustrated, drunk and even angry young men may well have thought it seemed like a good idea at the time and word spread to other groups elsewhere.

When things go pear shaped you can bet these very same mechanisms are and will be used to spread information. These people know full well that their strength is in organised numbers so I'm sure more of this co-ordinated behaviour will follow when, for example, police action is taken or deportations authorised.

We've seen similar use of social media in the UK during various riots and demonstrations.

I haven't heard of young men using these tools to coordinate sexual assaults though. What would be the benefit of them for that? Maybe it was that they heard one group doing and so all meet in the largest cities near them to do the same but that is a odd amount of planning.

How long would it take for the word to speard? I mean they can't all be networked. If we, the British, were fleeing somewhere how many of us would be able to contact each other to coordinate large scale meet ups so quickly?

I can't believe the same type of attacks across Europe happened organically. There has to be something we're missing.

I think first we need to see if the attacks are linked/the same first and that what would otherwise be the normal level of crime are not being chalked up to what happened in Cologne.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I haven't heard of young men using these tools to coordinate sexual assaults though. What would be the benefit of them for that? Maybe it was that they heard one group doing and so all meet in the largest cities near them to do the same but that is a odd amount of planning.

How long would it take for the word to speard? I mean they can't all be networked. If we, the British, were fleeing somewhere how many of us would be able to contact each other to coodinate large scale meet ups so quickly?

I can't believe the same type of attacks across Europe happened organically. There has to be something we're missing.

That may not have been the original intention - a little booze, a whole lot of male frustration and a ready supply of vulnerable young women combined to cause the same problem in several places for the same reason. Not all of the males out that evening would have been involved in the theft and assaults but it's highly likely that a proportion would seek to take advantage of the situation in some way.

Like you I don't see what they'd have to gain by such behaviour but desperate people do desperate things which often aren't in their best interests.

It's quite clear that mobile communications are being used by migrants in Calais to co-ordinate their activities whether that be storming the fences or evading the authorities. I dare say they knew about our Sudanese tunnel walker's success before the Border Agency did.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Osem

... a little booze, a whole lot of male frustration and a ready supply of vulnerable young women combined to cause the same problem in several places for the same reason..

Precisely. And the police backed off due to the large numbers (as if they could not have anticipated crowds on New Year's Eve).

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Cultural difference is no excuse for rape

Picturesque, Bassingbourn, really? I suppose so, if you've never been a local and if you squint a bit

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Picturesque, Bassingbourn, really? I suppose so, if you've never been a local and if you squint a bit

Anyhoo, but back to what actually happened there. Any comments?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Anyhoo, but back to what actually happened there. Any comments?

No nothing that hasn't already been said before I wouldn't have thought, does strike me as odd that they didn't realise they weren't allowed to do such things in England though, these are the people we've sided with in a civil war, that think rape is okay?

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Osem

That may not have been the original intention - a little booze, a whole lot of male frustration and a ready supply of vulnerable young women combined to cause the same problem in several places for the same reason. Not all of the males out that evening would have been involved in the theft and assaults but it's highly likely that a proportion would seek to take advantage of the situation in some way.

Like you I don't see what they'd have to gain by such behaviour but desperate people do desperate things which often aren't in their best interests.

It's quite clear that mobile communications are being used by migrants in Calais to co-ordinate their activities whether that be storming the fences or evading the authorities. I dare say they knew about our Sudanese tunnel walker's success before the Border Agency did.

I reckon this is all due to a volatile combination of two aspects of different cultures; eastern and Asian authoritarian misogyny, resulting in the inaccessibility of women, and Western liberal misogyny, (porn), that gives an impression of available women. This is, of course, only an explanation, not an excuse. Even though the result of this partial clash of cultures in the psyche of Muslim and other Asian men is a serious feeling of being sexually deprived, it takes a loss of moral compass in the few to bring about this kind of sexual harassment.

As in the Doncaster, Middlesborough and Rochdale child abuser cases these guys are also presented with an opportunity. (Night-time taxis drivers and fast food workers in the UK.) These particular migrants are away from their families in many cases and from the moderating morality of their own neighborhoods. They are anonymous and as you say able to co-ordinate their actions and share their feelings on the internet. The internet will also feed them a constant stream of naked western women, legs akimbo, and apparently gagging for it.

The solution, given that this is the actions of a few, is not the ending of migration or mass deportation. It is down to good policing and serious punishment for those caught, with rapid deportation to follow.