Unstoppable migration? - Page 70

Osem · 07-01-2016, 07:47

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Originally Posted by Damien

I don't scan every single broadcast but the BBC news report have mentioned it on his report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35239347

As well as this report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35239377

And on this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35241818 and here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35241808

It's certainly been referred to on their website but the broadcast side (whioch is what Heero and I mentioned) seems to have a different view. Maybe some BBC folks are more reticent than others and they're happier tucking the nasty detail away in the small print.

Given the context of the incident, can anyone think of a valid 'news' reason why it should not have been mentioned on the TV and radio?

**Damien** · 07-01-2016, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Osem

It's certainly been referred to on their website but the broadcast side (whioch is what Heero and I mentioned) seems to have a different view. Maybe some BBC folks are more reticent than others and they're happier tucking the nasty detail away in the small print.

Given the context of the incident, can anyone think of a valid 'news' reason why it should not have been mentioned on the TV and radio?

Those video reports are the broadcast side as well.

Also Newnight covered it last night with ethnicity of the alleged perpetrators and how that relates to the German position of refugees is front and center of the report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...night-06012016 (about 15:20 in). If you watch it cannot be claimed they aren't mentioning it or downplaying it. The story itself is more about the refugees than the attacks themselves and the possible ramifications of that.

It doesn't form the central part of the Radio 4 Today's brief interview in this clip: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dq4f9 but it is mentioned at the end and I can't find the report/story of which this interview would have been related.

Osem · 07-01-2016, 09:00

So why didn't Radio 5 news or BBC TV news mention it?

I'd imagine there's an editorial difference between Newsnight and BBC TV/Radio news and equally news clips broadcast via the BBC website. I don't regularly watch BBC TV news and didn't see it yesterday so can't comment on that but Radio 5 didn't mention ethnicity on their news whilst I was listening. I still think someone, somewhere intervened for reasons best known to themselves and the fact that others within the Beeb saw fit to tell the whole story only adds to the mystery.

**Damien** · 07-01-2016, 09:13

BBC TV News at 10 here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...t-ten-06012016

About 17:20 in. Again they do mention the race and the link with migration as well. They also talk about how this was provoked questions/anger at the refugee policy of the German government.

I couldn't find anything on Radio 5 site's admittedly although most of their stuff appears domestically targeted (so much about Labour's reshuffle). However I have linked to multiple BBC Website stories, two BBC news reports, a BBC Newsnight report, a BBC News at 10 report and a, albeit brief, Radio 4 report so I am not convinced there is a BBC editorial policy not to mention it.

Osem · 07-01-2016, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

BBC TV News at 10 here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...t-ten-06012016

About 17:20 in. Again they do mention the race and the link with migration as well. They also talk about how this was provoked questions/anger at the refugee policy of the German government.

I couldn't find anything on Radio 5 site's admittedly although most of their stuff appears domestically targeted (so much about Labour's reshuffle). However I have linked to multiple BBC Website stories, two BBC news reports, a BBC Newsnight report, a BBC News at 10 report and a, albeit brief, Radio 4 report so I am not convinced there is a BBC editorial policy not to mention it.

So it seems that Radio 5 has a maverick PC obsessed news editor. Now that'd really be something eh?

Maybe the decisions on content on the various programmes are made 'locally' and the omission is just a reflection of differing interpretations of BBC 'policy'. On the other hand, as time went on, maybe the Beeb decided that not mentioning ethnicity when everyone else was had become untenable. Having said that, the broadcast I heard was 9-9.30pm last night...

Given the Beeb's well known fixation with polciitcal correctness, I don't find it at all surprising that they might not be keen to mention ethnicity in any negative context such as this. That's the reason so many of their reports on the migration chaos repeatedly state 'many of them from Syria' when it's be more accurate to say 'most of them NOT from Syria' or words to that effect.

**Chris** · 07-01-2016, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Damien

BBC TV News at 10 here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...t-ten-06012016

About 17:20 in. Again they do mention the race and the link with migration as well. They also talk about how this was provoked questions/anger at the refugee policy of the German government.

I couldn't find anything on Radio 5 site's admittedly although most of their stuff appears domestically targeted (so much about Labour's reshuffle). However I have linked to multiple BBC Website stories, two BBC news reports, a BBC Newsnight report, a BBC News at 10 report and a, albeit brief, Radio 4 report so I am not convinced there is a BBC editorial policy not to mention it.

Having watched that as broadcast, I have to say I was left with the distinct impression that the reporter was trying to mention it, whilst giving it the bare minimum prominence and also being very careful to find people who would stand up and say that the ethnicity of the attackers were "unproven allegations".

Given that there is plenty of evidence emerging that the authorities tried to keep a lid on this from the moment it first took place, news organisations should be treating any and all official denials with extreme scepticism, and not using them to provide false balance in their stories.

**Damien** · 07-01-2016, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Chris

Having watched that as broadcast, I have to say I was left with the distinct impression that the reporter was trying to mention it, whilst giving it the bare minimum prominence and also being very careful to find people who would stand up and say that the ethnicity of the attackers were "unproven allegations".

Given that there is plenty of evidence emerging that the authorities tried to keep a lid on this from the moment it first took place, news organisations should be treating any and all official denials with extreme scepticism, and not using them to provide false balance in their stories.

The Newsnight report seems to lead with the alleged ethnicity of the attackers in the context of Germany's migration problem but I don't see the problem with the BBC being careful about it.

We're still not clear on the scale of this, the crimes alleged and the status of those who did it. The numbers for example vary wildly from hundreds of men to small groups and so on. Reports are coming of it happen in other German cities but we're not sure what exactly happened in those cities. It may have happened in Finland too but the police were proactive.

The real lighting of the fuse here will be the nationality of any of those arrested. If they are, as suggested, refugees then this will become a massive issue. Until we know for sure though....

Osem · 07-01-2016, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Newsnight report seems to lead with the alleged ethnicity of the attackers in the context of Germany's migration problem but I don't see the problem with the BBC being careful about it.

We're still not clear on the scale of this, the crimes alleged and the status of those who did it. The numbers for example vary wildly from hundreds of men to small groups and so on. Reports are coming of it happen in other German cities but we're not sure what exactly happened in those cities. It may have happened in Finland too but the police were proactive.

The real lighting of the fuse here will be the nationality of any of those arrested. If they are, as suggested, refugees then this will become a massive issue. Until we know for sure though....

Refugees? Economic migrants? Such is the concern about the abject failure of the EU to control this mass migration that I don't think it really matters who these people are if it turns out they're 'foreign'. People are fed up with what's going on and the lack of control which is so clearly evident. Even where it hasn't already happened, IMHO that sentiment is, sadly, likely to extend to genuine refugees sooner or later.

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Meanwhile back in non-Schengenland we've just granted asylum to a Sudanese guy who broke all the rules, passed through various safe countries, breached security in Calais and then walked through the channel tunnel. Presumably being allowed to remain here is the severe punishment which has been meted out and it's intended to send out a clear message to others who'd dare to try the same tactic.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ba...-a3148501.html

I'm beginning to think the migrants have taken over the reception centre...

**Damien** · 07-01-2016, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Osem

Refugees? Economic migrants? Such is the concern about the abject failure of the EU to control this mass migration that I don't think it really matters who these people are if it turns out they're 'foreign'. People are fed up with what's going on and the lack of control which is so clearly evident. Even where it hasn't already happened, IMHO that sentiment is, sadly, likely to extend to genuine refugees sooner or later.

This is what I meant. Anyone who came in via this recent migration crisis.

Osem · 07-01-2016, 17:32

That's why Merkel's decision was so astonishing. What's happening now was inevitable (and entirely predictable) after she acted and will only get worse as the numbers continue to increase and pressure grows. Help should have been targeted at the genuine refugees.

Osem · 08-01-2016, 07:45

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Germany must look again at deporting foreigners convicted of crimes following the Cologne sex attacks, Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said "clear signals" had to be sent to those not prepared to abide by German law.

Gangs of men described as of North African and Arab appearance were reported to be behind the attacks.

Meanwhile, similar incidents from New Year's Eve have been reported in Finland and Switzerland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35259224

Good luck deporting these people. More are being admitted to the EU all the time but let's not worry about that eh? I wonder of the welcome banners are still out...

Ramrod · 08-01-2016, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Osem

I wonder of the welcome banners are still out...

Of course they are. Liberals and communists never learn

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Reports flood in of sexual assaults against women across Germany

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Three Syrians have been arrested in southern Germany for the alleged gang rape of two teenage girls on New Year’s Eve, as reports flood in of sexual assaults against women across the country.

A 21-year-old man and two 14-year-old boys are being held in Weil am Rhein, a small town near the Swiss and German borders, for the alleged rape of two girls aged 14 and 15.

Prosecutors allege that the two girls were held for several hours and gang-raped

It's turning into another Sweden

Osem · 08-01-2016, 09:14

Another Sweden? Come on now, we all know this is all being made up by Nigel Farage and the right wing media. How could anyone in their right mind argue that thousands of young men roaming around with little/no money, appreciation of western culture, etc. etc. etc. could possibly be the cause of troubles such as this. Sorry but it's all just too farfetched...

Ramrod · 08-01-2016, 10:13

Cultural difference is no excuse for rape

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In the early hours of 26 October 2014, a group of Libyan cadets, who were stationed at RAF Bassingbourn, ran amok in the centre of Cambridge. Fuelled by alcohol, the cadets roamed the picturesque streets looking for victims. Four women were sexually assaulted. The Libyans exposed themselves, grabbed the women, and put their hands up their skirts. A young guy, who was inebriated after a wedding party, was seized by two of the cadets, Moktar Ali Saad Mahmoud and Ibrahim Abugtila, and raped.
a Libyan spokesman appeared on our local TV news. The uniformed male said he was sorry, but the Libyans didn’t realise that you weren’t allowed to do such things in England. It was an unfortunate case of cultural misunderstanding.

Osem · 08-01-2016, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Cultural difference is no excuse for rape

Yes it's odd how the argument is changed to suit the circumstances by some folks. One minute daring to suggest anything like that is verging on a heinous crime, the next minute it's being used as an excuse for the most appalling behaviour.