Unstoppable migration?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

There is a big problem and we don't know the solution. The migrants will keep coming and a crisis continues to develop.

Take a look at the problem

[Osem]

While we're waiting for a permanent solution, if there is one, we need to stem the flow and get on with the removals because every week which goes by with no concerted action simply encourages more migrants to take their chances. The longer they're allowed to remain the more likely it is that they'll never be removed and will eventually want to bring their families.

In the fixation with high profile airport security, we've taken our eye off the ball and allowed vast numbers of unknown people just to walk right into Europe. If it wasn't so serious it'd be laughable.

[Ramrod]

I'm really, really glad that we have a ruddy great moat between us and the mainland!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm really, really glad that we have a ruddy great moat between us and the mainland!

Too true! We've already experienced excessive population growth and the problems associated with it as a result of uncontrolled migration and really don't need to add to it.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Take a look at the problem

It's all true.
we asked for it.
nobody would listen.
we're finished.

their hate is real.
their intentions are real.
their plan is in full swing.

we are doomed.

the reason it happened is because you rely on other people to look after you too much.
and they actually can't help you anyway.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Too true! We've already experienced excessive population growth

That is their intention. to breed and dominate.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

I presume I am one of the lefties you talk about?

There isn't much left to say is there? People post articles on here but the fundamental issue hasn't changed for months. There is a big problem and we don't know the solution. The migrants will keep coming and a crisis continues to develop.

But really, with the exception of maybe Osem who posts links to mainstream stuff, this thread is becoming increasingly more weird to the point where Hugh and Chris are dismissed as liberals, stuff about chemtrails and '5th Columnist Traitors' who are 'evil'. If I wanted to listen to paranoid ravings then Alex Jones is much better for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEy55r49fY

I think most people are making a deliberate decision to avoid this thread, mainly because of the intolerant reaction of some of the "residents" to opinions that are contrary to their own.

Other reasons include:

- the endless, interminable number of posts saying basically the same thing. If you have a point to make, make it, just don't make it 100's of times
- the use of at best, dubious, at worse, right wing "news" sources
- blocking of people who challenge the "residents" point of view
- the almost gleeful nature of new posts detailing the latest misfortune to overtake the EU and the migrants/refugees.

the last reason is for me the most relevant: where are the constructive suggestions on solving this problem at source? Where is the humanity for the people forced to leave their homes?

All I see is endless carping at the "migrant deluge" with no constructive discussion on how these people can be encouraged to stay where they originate from and how the ones that have to leave can be supported in the bordering countries.

[Chrysalis]

for those of us who live in places where immigrants have settled the affects are clear.

My city is one of the poorest in the country (which I think is no coincidence) and it is seriously struggling with infrastructure to cope in day to day life.

There are certain things I am ok with and certain things I think are wrong.

One thing I dont like is when I hear kids playing outside who dont speak english.

Originally Posted by Osem

While we're waiting for a permanent solution, if there is one, we need to stem the flow and get on with the removals because every week which goes by with no concerted action simply encourages more migrants to take their chances. The longer they're allowed to remain the more likely it is that they'll never be removed and will eventually want to bring their families.

In the fixation with high profile airport security, we've taken our eye off the ball and allowed vast numbers of unknown people just to walk right into Europe. If it wasn't so serious it'd be laughable.

The problem is how to stem the flow and how to remove people when we don't know where they've come from (no one with any sense will state they came from a country where to which they would face easy deportation).

Europe can say they won't take any more immigrants but for the still substantial numbers of migrants who are coming from places like Libya, Syria and Eritrea the prospect of living safety but illegally is far more appealing than living in danger albeit legally.

It's really hard to see how those in charge actually manage to do something about this.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Where is the humanity for the people forced to leave their homes?

I have plenty of humanity for them. It's the economic migrant *******s (apparently the majority) that I despise as they are adversly affecting the chances of genuine refugees.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I have plenty of humanity for them. It's the economic migrant *******s (apparently the majority) that I despise as they are adversly affecting the chances of genuine refugees.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it...

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Originally Posted by Damien

The problem is how to stem the flow and how to remove people when we don't know where they've come from (no one with any sense will state they came from a country where to which they would face easy deportation).

Europe can say they won't take any more immigrants but for the still substantial numbers of migrants who are coming from places like Libya, Syria and Eritrea the prospect of living safety but illegally is far more appealing than living in danger albeit legally.

It's really hard to see how those in charge actually manage to do something about this.

It is really hard of course but we have to start somewhere and effectively encouraging more economic migrants to come here by having an open door to everyone who shows up only makes things worse. Part of what we need to do is make people aware that illegal economic migrants won't be allowed to stay or be allowed to go where they choose. It has worked in Australia and IMHO it's the place to start the process to try to get the numbers under control. The less economic migrants who come, the more resources there are for the genuine refugees who we all accept ought to be our priority.

Tough decisions are going to have to be made sooner or later and the longer this goes on in its current form, the harder those decisions and actions will ultimately have to be. If we wish to continue some credible humanitarian response to what's going in places like Syria we cannot allow ourselves to be swamped with economic migrants no matter how sorry we may feel for them. Being in denial about the seriousness of this issue will only lead to growing political and social unrest. For those still in denial about the scale of this problem, given the surge in numbers this year over last, what does anyone seriously think next year will be like?

[techguyone]

Here's an answer (but I bet some here don't like it)

They are wasting their money, giving it to Africa it won't stop migrants it'll maybe pay for a bit of overtime at Rolls Royce, Aston and Bentley but not much more.

They need to take the billions of pounds it's going to cost and approach the new Libyan Government.
Ask for some Land from them and build a Bastion style camp.
Staff it with European border guards from all member states.
Stop everyone whose arriving at Lesbos and transport them back.
Anyone already in Europe ship them back.
Anyone arriving in the UK in a truck straight back to go.

Make it safe and secure for females and kids.
Get various linguists in to establish exactly where people are from.
If you've no papers you go straight to the back of the queue.
Forgot your name, age and where your from stand over there for three or four years.

You need to be robust but fair.
Once they get to Europe it's to late you'll never depart them back.
You need to stop then on the continent they come from.

It's common courtesy to link to where your quote is from, and also covers "fair usage".

[techguyone]

Guess I'm not courteous then. I know how this works, I put up a link, then everyone goes and looks for some obscure topic somewhere to try and discredit the site. No thanks, you have the post - take it for what it is.

I liked it because it shoots down everyone bitching about how we have no compassion, we don't love the migrants (bless) & are offering no solution to the issue (problem)

Well there's one fair example of a solution which is more than I've seen anyone else do - including said bitchers.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Here's an answer (but I bet some here don't like it)

That looks like the Australian solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12..._channel=ABFTV

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It's common courtesy to link to where your quote is from, and also covers "fair usage".

Seems to be from here:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/thr...8#post-6826006