Unstoppable migration?

[Ramrod]

All of the above amounts to the simple fact that the British Establishment is riddled with and controlled by 5th Columnist Traitors. Those evil individuals are hidden in local and national government positions, including educational and NHS offices, the police, fire brigade, the courts and many more. They are the ones who try to stop Freedom of Speech and Thought; they are the ones who pretend to be “do gooder’s” whilst upholding anti-British beliefs and actions;

Completely agree.....

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In other news....

A gang of teenage Muslim migrants have been sentenced to less than two years in youth offender centres for beating and raping a vulnerable Swedish woman at an isolated beauty spot........Reporting of the incident has been very careful in Sweden, where media outlets wilfully self-censor to prevent migrants being presented in a bad light. In Aftonbladet, Sweden’s best selling daily, the migrant origin of the rapists was only mentioned in the 14th paragraph of their report yesterday.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

Mm Fascinating Chris & Hugh, and that has.. what exactly to do with migration? At least try and keep on topic rather than quoting some weirdness from somewhere that's not.

It's no good trying to discredit Arsse, I daresay you could go into any forum - including this one, and find some weirdo obscure thread somewhere and use it to try and make said forum look like swivel eyed loons. I already made the disclaimer that it's a Forces site so you won't get all your lovely liberal PC ******** there, what you DO get however is a viewpoint from serving & ex-serving members who have a viewpoint that as valid as any of the handwringers ones you find lurking here.

In the case of the population density to migrant numbers it serves to put into context how some countries fare much better than others.

I wasn't trying to discredit ARRSE (as ex-Services, I am a frequent visitor to the site).

If you read my post, you would have seen I pointed out that ARRSE got it from a site that looks to be based on paranoid ramblings on a number of subjects, which IMHO lessens that site's (not ARRSE's) credibility.

btw, love your proposition that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a hand wringer and a lefty - heaven forbid that they just don't agree with you.

I think you may find that any 'left wingers' on this forum do not count Chris and I as fellow-travellers...

[techguyone]

Heh I wasn't referring to you as a lefty, If I were I'd quite clearly say 'Hugh you're a lefty luvvie' so don't assume stuff til its very clear. Interestingly enough much of the lefty types here seem to have dropped off the radar as the migration saga has rumbled on and shown no sign of stopping. Funny that.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Heh I wasn't referring to you as a lefty, If I were I'd quite clearly say 'Hugh you're a lefty luvvie' so don't assume stuff til its very clear. Interestingly enough much of the lefty types here seem to have dropped off the radar as the migration saga has rumbled on and shown no sign of stopping. Funny that.

Yes, they're probably still in therapy after telling us all the Euro was the best thing since sliced bread and denigrating anyone who had the temerity to disagree. I recall being told my fears were all a function of xenophobic paranoia but that all seems to have gone quiet now for some strange reason...

The EU, the Euro and the single European state are very fine concepts in theory but they don't take into account basic human nature.

[Osem]

More EU 'madness'?

European ministers have devised a dramatic plan to solve the migration crisis, offering a series of sweeteners in exchange for sending illegal migrants back to Africa.

They will provide cash and visa deals to persuade African countries to take back some of the 800,000 people who have flooded across the Mediterranean into Europe this year.

But in return, the proposed deal will give thousands of African students, doctors and entrepreneurs an open door to move into the European Union.

Officials are preparing to justify the highly controversial arrangement by saying only professionals who will contribute to society will be allowed into the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...or-Africa.html

I'd have thought qualified people, doctors, entrepreneurs etc. are just the sort of people we ought to be encouraging to stay put in order to benefit their own countries. We're only just emerging from a medical crisis in which doctors/nurses from all around the world were sent to Africa in order to contain the ebola outbreak.

If Cameron can't by now see what sort of people he's dealing with and how broken the EU is he must be as stupid/misguided as they are. Perhaps he believes we should stay in the EU no matter what the cost - shackling us to a sinking ship. It'll be interesting to see what his stance is when he finds that nothing of any significance is going to change as a result of his 'negotiations'.

On Tuesday, he will use a major speech to make his strongest threat so far that he could recommend an “out” vote if Europe turns a “deaf ear” to British requests for change.

However, some of Mr Cameron’s own Cabinet ministers have privately given up hope that he will secure the kind of radical changes to Britain’s EU membership that they want.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

I'd have thought qualified people, doctors, entrepreneurs etc. are just the sort of people we ought to be encouraging to stay put in order to benefit their own countries.

That's exactly what I thought when I read the article this morning. Plus, does the EU really think that the African countries will happily take back their unskilled people for a few sheckles and happily give up their skilled people?

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interesting page

Politicians constantly argue that immigration brings economic benefits.
Even if that were true in general, it clear that Muslim immigration does
not.
"For example, compared with the UK average of 22% of the working age
population being economically inactive, Somali, Bangladeshi, Pakistani
and Iranian immigrants are likely to be 81%, 56%, 55% and 48%
economically inactive respectively"
These figures come from the Institute for Public Policy report "Britain's
Immigrants: an economic profile"

I know that this data is a few years old but I doubt that much has changed.

......and more up to date info

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Taken from the comments section of one of those articles:

King Alfred: And now my lords we march to fight Guthrum and his great Viking army.
Priest: I am sorry my Lord but that is against their human rights. You see they have been here for a few years.
King Alfred: What about when they wiped out the whole of East Anglia?
Priest: Well you see that is a part of their culture which we must respect my lord.
King Alfred: Okay then I will send you to negotiate with them lets see how long you will last...
Priest: I believe we can integrate them, my Lord.
King Alfred: But what about their raping?
Priest: Diversity, my Lord.
King Alfred: And their pillaging?
Priest: Enrichment, my Lord.
King Alfred: Their looting?
Priest: Vibrancy, my Lord.
King Alfred: This integration you speak of ... it looks a lot like, well, what we used to call 'losing'.

[Osem]

Yes, we've been consistently fed misinformation in order to justify and even disguise mass migration and its true costs to UK plc, both social and economic. Who was it who coined the phrase 'joined up thinking'? There's precious little evidence of that when it comes to immigration.

[Ramrod]

Al Qaeda Terror Boss Discovered On Migrant Boat.......Authorities ‘Tried To Hide News’

Ben Nasr Mehdi, a Tunisian who was first arrested in Italy in 2007 and sentenced to seven years imprisonment for plotting terror attacks with an Islamic State-linked group, was caught trying to re-enter the country last month.

Authorities discovered him among 200 migrants who were rescued at sea and taken to the island of Lampedusa. Although he gave a false name, migration officers identified him through finger print records, the Independent reports.

German channel n-tv claims the Italian government initially tried to hide the story to avoid “panic” and “scare tactics”. The news did not emerge until several days after Mehdi had been detained last week.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Al Qaeda Terror Boss Discovered On Migrant Boat.......Authorities ‘Tried To Hide News’

You can be sure there are a lot more of his kind now in the EU area. ISIS are not stupid and this rush of migrants in to the EU has given them a perfect way to get their fighters into mainland Europe. By this time next year we will have seen far more terrorist incidents than we have before and that any terrorist attacks will most likely be aimed at holiday locations within the EU.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

You can be sure there are a lot more of his kind now in the EU area. ISIS are not stupid and this rush of migrants in to the EU has given them a perfect way to get their fighters into mainland Europe. By this time next year we will have seen far more terrorist incidents than we have before and that any terrorist attacks will most likely be aimed at holiday locations within the EU.

I would prefer they start in London and around number 10.

but yeh. we have opened a secret back door to let terrorists in to blow us all up.

but we're British and dumb.
even James Bond thinks we're thick.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Al Qaeda Terror Boss Discovered On Migrant Boat.......Authorities ‘Tried To Hide News’

Do we expect anything less from these people? They've consistently tried to downplay the impact (social, economic or anything else) of what been going on as they sit their wringing their hands, having meetings about meetings. and propagating European 'unity'.

For me just as real a danger is going to be the countless disaffected thousands whose experience of 'acceptance' and a better life in the EU won't be at all what they'd hoped for. They're likely become disillusioned and extremely bitter (it's already happening) having often risked their lives and/or gambled everything to make their journeys. If these people aren't going to prove a very fertile recruiting ground for ISIS and others I'd be very surprised. No matter eh? I'm sure Europe will be just as effective dealing with the enemy it allowed within as it's proved dealing with the enemy without...

[Gary L]

You have to wonder how many terrorists have got into the UK through this backdoor thing.
a few, tens, hundreds or thousands?
will they all be synchronised?
do you think it will be this side of Xmas when they announce their arrival with a bang?

Originally Posted by techguyone

Heh I wasn't referring to you as a lefty, If I were I'd quite clearly say 'Hugh you're a lefty luvvie' so don't assume stuff til its very clear. Interestingly enough much of the lefty types here seem to have dropped off the radar as the migration saga has rumbled on and shown no sign of stopping. Funny that.

I presume I am one of the lefties you talk about?

There isn't much left to say is there? People post articles on here but the fundamental issue hasn't changed for months. There is a big problem and we don't know the solution. The migrants will keep coming and a crisis continues to develop.

But really, with the exception of maybe Osem who posts links to mainstream stuff, this thread is becoming increasingly more weird to the point where Hugh and Chris are dismissed as liberals, stuff about chemtrails and '5th Columnist Traitors' who are 'evil'. If I wanted to listen to paranoid ravings then Alex Jones is much better for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEy55r49fY

[techguyone]

Umm don't presume anything... it'll be made very clear if I call you something, it won't be subtle. No one was dismissed as anything by me. sounds more like a case of guilt conscience perhaps ?

As already stated thrice now. I'll be sure to name any lefty luvvies, there will be no misunderstanding. Until then don't presume anything, it diminishes you.

[figgyburn]

I can just see the african heads of state welcoming the 1.3 billion euro's in"aid"."More stupid westerners giving us money"more new palaces,more mercedes,more swiss bank deposits more like.