Unstoppable migration?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Do you want the best for your family or do you just make do?

I want the best of course but what I want and what I need aren't necessarily the same thing. Nobody needs "the best" to survive, they just need the essentials. If someone passes on the latter to get the former then they making a choice, simple as that.

We should not accept "refugees" who choose to come here, only those who have no other option. On this basis nobody has yet need able to explain to me what sort of crisis is occurring in France that means lives are in danger and forces people to get past Calais.

[mrmistoffelees]

So because of our geographic location we should not do our fair share ?

Please don't tell me you think 20000 over 5 years is reasonable we're almost as bad as the U.S.

And for those who were complaining about gulf states not assisting I'm just going to let you read this

https://www.saudiembassy.net/press-r...s09111501.aspx

[Osem]

What we're all still waiting for from those who think the doors should be open is any credible plan for dealing with these people in the longer term - jobs, services, housing etc. etc. etc.. Given our existing problems in these areas and the constant complaining about them I find that quite bizarre. Furthermore we're already seeing how quickly opinions change when all those fine sounding words and welcomes result in large scale disruption people's actual lives. It's so easy to be generous on someone else's behalf isn't it. Frankly we're lucky to be the other side of the Channel and only have our ports to worry about.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So because of our geographic location we should not do our fair share ?

Must admit I was wondering how different the comments would be if the UK was 'the first safe country' and the 300k+ people had arrived on our European shores. I'm pretty sure the complaints on here would be about the rest of Europe not helping us out by letting us ship people around the continent. But it's OK as they're not banging on our door so sod them.

Cheers

Grim

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Must admit I was wondering how different the comments would be if the UK was 'the first safe country' and the 300k+ people had arrived on our European shores. I'm pretty sure the complaints on here would be about the rest of Europe not helping us out by letting us ship people around the continent. But it's OK as they're not banging on our door so sod them.

Cheers

Grim

Nail firmly hit on head my friend, excellent post

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What utter crap

So what if a refugee has a mobile phone ?

Well, for one thing, I balk at roaming costs and these guys are travelling through multiple countries. Very odd

[Osem]

... and, as if by magic, tensions in Europe rise significantly:

Croatia will "force" Hungary to accept migrants by continuing to send them to the border, its PM says.

Zoran Milanovic's statement was the latest in an increasingly bad-tempered exchange of views over how to handle the migrant influx.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34302285

I wonder how those 'emergency meetings' are going in Eurolalaland...

If anyone still wanted proof that the EU is inherently defective, this episode is just that.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Current troubles it should be said that in certain countries we had a systematic part to play by attempting and in some circumstances succeeded in destabilisng the regimes (let's glaze over the fact that war for regime change is in fact a crime)

As well as destabilising the Middle East in general, the Iraq War was also responsible for creating the conditions for ISIS to survive and thrive in the first place. If the UK and US had not invaded Iraq, there would be no ISIS.

And then, of course, "the West" decided it wanted rid of Assad in Syria, even if it meant that Salafist insurgents grew in power.



Given the UK and the USA's contribution to this whole mess, I think that both countries have a particular responsibility to help those in need, in addition to any moral responsibility that all countries should have.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

As well as destabilising the Middle East in general, the Iraq War was also responsible for creating the conditions for ISIS to survive and thrive in the first place. If the UK and US had not invaded Iraq, there would be no ISIS.

And then, of course, "the West" decided it wanted rid of Assad in Syria, even if it meant that Salafist insurgents grew in power.



Given the UK and the USA's contribution to this whole mess, I think that both countries have a particular responsibility to help those in need, in addition to any moral responsibility that all countries should have.

Another brilliant post

What some on here can't understand as you say we were instrumental in the situation. Yet we think we can hide and let others clean up our mess

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by techguyone

You do know even these poor refugees all have mobile phones, sat nav & social media?

The Independent (James O'Malley) - Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? Sorry to break this to you, but you're an idiot

[papa smurf]

this might be a silly question but where are they charging these phones ?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

this might be a silly question but where are they charging these phones ?

At a guess spare batteries and solar chargers ?

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Well, for one thing, I balk at roaming costs and these guys are travelling through multiple countries. Very odd

Vodafone euro traveller £3 per day and you get to use your normal minutes/texts/data for example across the whole of Europe

Or PAYG sims depending on the country they're currently in

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Originally Posted by Osem

What we're all still waiting for from those who think the doors should be open is any credible plan for dealing with these people in the longer term - jobs, services, housing etc. etc. etc.. Given our existing problems in these areas and the constant complaining about them I find that quite bizarre. Furthermore we're already seeing how quickly opinions change when all those fine sounding words and welcomes result in large scale disruption people's actual lives. It's so easy to be generous on someone else's behalf isn't it. Frankly we're lucky to be the other side of the Channel and only have our ports to worry about.

300 empty properties in Stockton & Middlesbrough that are ready to be used the only homeless are those that have made themselves intentionally so

Large amounts of job vacancies across a broad spectrum of roles

Similar situation across a lot of the north east of the UK

The issues you speak of are localised to certain geographic areas and not a nationwide blight

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

They are helping, now we see something worthwhile being done with our Foreign Aid money, finally something to get behind that's tangible. Now back to Fairyland with you.

Grow up

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Must admit I was wondering how different the comments would be if the UK was 'the first safe country' and the 300k+ people had arrived on our European shores. I'm pretty sure the complaints on here would be about the rest of Europe not helping us out by letting us ship people around the continent. But it's OK as they're not banging on our door so sod them.

Cheers

Grim

Well said

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

As well as destabilising the Middle East in general, the Iraq War was also responsible for creating the conditions for ISIS to survive and thrive in the first place. If the UK and US had not invaded Iraq, there would be no ISIS.

And then, of course, "the West" decided it wanted rid of Assad in Syria, even if it meant that Salafist insurgents grew in power.



Given the UK and the USA's contribution to this whole mess, I think that both countries have a particular responsibility to help those in need, in addition to any moral responsibility that all countries should have.

This is exactly the point, the UK has an obligation to help, ideally to help resolve the cause of the problem and not just the symptoms

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Grow up[COLOR="Silver"]

Another one to the ignore list, you go and be a luvvie & read your Guardian and feel all smug inside because you're making it 'all alright'

I'll keep it real thanks, I'm not into self flagellation, but go and knock yourself out.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

At a guess spare batteries and solar chargers ?

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Vodafone euro traveller £3 per day and you get to use your normal minutes/texts/data for example across the whole of Europe

Or PAYG sims depending on the country they're currently in

---------- Post added at 15:19 ---------- Previous post was at 15:12 ----------



300 empty properties in Stockton & Middlesbrough that are ready to be used the only homeless are those that have made themselves intentionally so

Large amounts of job vacancies across a broad spectrum of roles

Similar situation across a lot of the north east of the UK

The issues you speak of are localised to certain geographic areas and not a nationwide blight

the locals might not be as happy as you are at giving away the housing stock and the local jobs .