General : £3 TV increase but BT Sport Europe is "free"

[telegramsam]

I would like Sky Atlantic on Virgin but only for the odd program as most of what`s on it doesn`t appealto me. What I don`t want though is Virgin paying over the odds for it. Now I`m not privy to any talks wih sky and virgin so I can`t say whether virgin want it on the cheap or whether sky are asking more than it`s worth but I suspect its a bit of both.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

I would like Sky Atlantic on Virgin but only for the odd program as most of what`s on it doesn`t appealto me. What I don`t want though is Virgin paying over the odds for it. Now I`m not privy to any talks wih sky and virgin so I can`t say whether virgin want it on the cheap or whether sky are asking more than it`s worth but I suspect its a bit of both.

me too want VM to get it for all that wants it but sky don't want anyone one to have it maybe that will change one day who know but cant see it for very long time if at all but I must admit I never thought we get the sport channels in HD either but it took years to get them probably be same with SA if it does come

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Hugh

http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...g-summary?_s=4

Sky Atlantic gets around half a percent of the total viewing figures in April, May, June this year, as opposed to
BBC1 - 20%
BBC2 - 5%
ITV1 - 12%

Week ending June 15th

http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/monthly-top-30?_s=4

Most popular Sky Atlantic programme was, surprise surprise, GoT, which got just over 2 million viewers, about a fifth of all Sky TV subscribers.

What about comparing to other Entertainment pay TV channels , terrestrial will always have far greater audiences.

Looking at May
Sky 1 has 0.98%
Sky Living has 0.74%
Fox has 0.37%
Watch has 0.35%
Universal has 0.32%
Comedy Central has 0.40%
Alibi has 0.34%
Lifetime has 0.12%
Sony TV has 0.06%
GOLD has 0.39%
SYFY has 0.20%

Most of the above are available on numerous pay platforms.

[Lostlam]

I'm not a fan of another price increase. I was hoping BT Sport Europe would be free for the time being as I hadn't see/heard anything until this thread, but that sadly isn't the case.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Most popular Sky Atlantic programme was, surprise surprise, GoT, which got just over 2 million viewers, about a fifth of all Sky TV subscribers.

But the weekly reach of the channel as a whole fluctuates between a third and half of Sky subscribers. I have no doubt it "works" for them.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by Dave42

same reason as they withheld all the other channels before OB mate they don't want anyone else to have SA simple as that and as I said before sky believe SA makes people join sky even though SA viewing figures prove that wrong

Certainly was not why I joined! Although, being able to watch True Detective is a nice bonus - even if it is not quite as good as the first series.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

same reason as they withheld all the other channels before OB mate they don't want anyone else to have SA simple as that and as I said before sky believe SA makes people join sky even though SA viewing figures prove that wrong

Well I now have Sky Atlantic, Dave, so that theory worked well, didn't it?

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Originally Posted by passingbat

The evidence is deductive common sense.

So's mine, actually.

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Originally Posted by telegramsam

I would like Sky Atlantic on Virgin but only for the odd program as most of what`s on it doesn`t appealto me. What I don`t want though is Virgin paying over the odds for it. Now I`m not privy to any talks wih sky and virgin so I can`t say whether virgin want it on the cheap or whether sky are asking more than it`s worth but I suspect its a bit of both.

Exactly right, sam, which is why the Now TV option on Tivo would be an ideal solution, given the circumstances.

That way, those of us who want to pay a bit extra to get SA can get it and those who don't can choose not to pay it.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well I now have Sky Atlantic, Dave, so that theory worked well, didn't it?

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So's mine, actually.

well I hope sky change there stance one day OB and make it available but think it be very long time if they do I am glad you have it I know you wanted it put only because sky own now tv or you would have to change your tv to sky tv like I said it only available on a sky platform so theory is correct they wont let anyone else have it

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

What about comparing to other Entertainment pay TV channels , terrestrial will always have far greater audiences.

Looking at May
Sky 1 has 0.98%
Sky Living has 0.74%
Fox has 0.37%
Watch has 0.35%
Universal has 0.32%
Comedy Central has 0.40%
Alibi has 0.34%
Lifetime has 0.12%
Sony TV has 0.06%
GOLD has 0.39%
SYFY has 0.20%

Most of the above are available on numerous pay platforms.

I'm surprised that Fox has so few viewers. We watch that more than Sky 1. Some damn good shows on there.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well I now have Sky Atlantic, Dave, so that theory worked well, didn't it?

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So's mine, actually.

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Exactly right, sam, which is why the Now TV option on Tivo would be an ideal solution, given the circumstances.

That way, those of us who want to pay a bit extra to get SA can get it and those who don't can choose not to pay it.

Of course Sky want more people to watch SA, but they they do not really want you watching it via Virgin Media or BT TV. You have SA via Sky OB, no-one else. It makes no difference what streaming device you have bought. Now TV is Sky's streaming service and as such, you have to go through Sky to get it. Sky are not paying Now TV a comission, you are now a Sky customer. Simple as that. VM will never put in on TiVo because there is no business case for them to do so. Why would VM want to make it easier for everyone to pay Sky for Now TV via TiVo? It makes no sense.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Of course Sky want more people to watch SA, but they they do not really want you watching it via Virgin Media or BT TV. You have SA via Sky OB, no-one else. It makes no difference what streaming device you have bought. Now TV is Sky's streaming service and as such, you have to go through Sky to get it. Sky are not paying Now TV a comission, you are now a Sky customer. Simple as that. VM will never put in on TiVo because there is no business case for them to do so. Why would VM want to make it easier for everyone to pay Sky for Now TV via TiVo? It makes no sense.

You can make the argument either way, Harry.

Given Liberty Global's expressed objective of giving cable customers maximum content from different providers, you could also say that giving us Now TV and all other available streaming services on just the one box, with streaming packages available, could be a USP for Virgin.

I know I am paying Sky for Now TV. I am also paying Netflix for Netflix.

Despite not being able to get NowTV on my Tivo box, I have it on my Roku streaming stick now, and others will do the same or through their gaming consoles. Either way, Sky is still going to get my money, so why should Sky or Virgin be bothered? The USP is the incentive for Virgin to assist their customers to get what they want all on the one box. To my mind, they're missing a trick (or being very slow about it).

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You can make the argument either way, Harry.

Given Liberty Global's expressed objective of giving cable customers maximum content from different providers, you could also say that giving us Now TV and all other available streaming services on just the one box, with streaming packages available, could be a USP for Virgin.

I know I am paying Sky for Now TV. I am also paying Netflix for Netflix.

Despite not being able to get NowTV on my Tivo box, I have it on my Roku streaming stick now, and others will do the same or through their gaming consoles. Either way, Sky is still going to get my money, so why should Sky or Virgin be bothered? The USP is the incentive for Virgin to assist their customers to get what they want all on the one box. To my mind, they're missing a trick (or being very slow about it).

Not really. Why would Sainsburys sell Tesco stock? People will get Tesco stock, and Tesco will get the money. Why would Sainsburys want to help Tesco sales at the potential expense of their own? Sure Tesco would have to pay for the shelf space, thus reducing the profit they would make (like Sky would probably have to pay VM) so what is the point for either company? VM want to make it as difficult as possible (not that it takes much to push a few buttons though) for you to watch Now TV.

Why would it make sense for Amazon to go on to TiVo? They have a vested interest in their fire TV box/stick. It is irrelevant that it happens in the States, because things are different over there. Why would VM allow customers such easy access to a Sky business, when they have clearly been priced out of the market for SA by Sky? Only Netflix have the most to gain from being available to everyone, on any given device.

If it is such a good idea for everything on one box, why haven't Sky or BT done it yet?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So's mine, actually.

Not really; you believe what you want to believe, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[harry_hitch]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'm surprised that Fox has so few viewers. We watch that more than Sky 1. Some damn good shows on there.

I agree OB, Fox is far superior in my eyes. I wonder how much The Simpsons account for Sky 1 viewing figures, I imagine it would be a high percentage.

[vincerooney]

sky atlantic isnt on vm as sky in their deluded mentality think that could get people onto their network from vm/bt.

vm get all the sports channels as they in their deluded mentality think it could get people away from bt and sky

bt keep amc away from vm and offer free football to broadband customers in their deluded mentality thinking it could get people away from vm and sky

remember people its illogical as most people get the cheapest or easiest/most available option. but these are corporate suits thinking up these ideas who probably dont even have a tv and are straight out of university paid for by daddy and so detached from reality. 1% of idiots own 90% of the worlds wealth or something frightening. These people arent of our thinking!!