General Election 2015: Voting intentions & general discussion - Page 20

**Damien** · 29-04-2015, 10:34

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I'd rather see some additional council tax bands so that the money is spent locally rather than going into the Treasury's maw to be given to scroungers and ne'er-do-wells as election bribes.

But that doesn't play well to engendering the false class envy that is Labour's raison d'etre.

Quite how you can accuse Labour of class envy whilst dismissing people as scroungers and ne'er-do-wells without irony is pretty impressive.

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Agree with this: http://www.conservativehome.com/thec...e-commons.html

Ignitionnet · 29-04-2015, 10:43

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Agree with this: http://www.conservativehome.com/thec...e-commons.html

Me too. FPTP isn't fit for 21st century politics. 100% support STV.

Ramrod · 29-04-2015, 11:01

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[/COLOR]This is pretty epic.

That beggars belief!

**Hugh** · 29-04-2015, 11:40

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Me too. FPTP isn't fit for 21st century politics. 100% support STV.

Totally agree - bring back local accountability.

**Chris** · 29-04-2015, 11:56

Hannan makes a good point (as usual). If the usual loyalties that normally apply when a general election comes round, have broken down, there is no reason for the 'main' parties to continue to support FPTP - the perceived advantage that system gives them no longer applies and the final outcome of the election may be perverse. If we have truly reached the stage where every election is going to result in an even split between Tory and Labour, with significant national or regional support for half a dozen others, then perhaps it is time for a system that will produce fairer results based on our voting patterns.

Personally, I would still favour a system of two main parties, with popular engagement with them through open primaries and local recall. One party in government is more predictable and can more easily be held to account against a published manifesto. But if those days are gone, then perhaps FPTP has to go to.

Ignitionnet · 29-04-2015, 12:21

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Totally agree - bring back local accountability.

I found STV invaluable when casting my vote for the last Mayor of London. I was able to vote for who I really wanted as 1st preference then who I wanted to keep Ken out of power 2nd.

Under FPTP I'd have had to vote for a candidate I didn't actually want in order to ensure the one I really, really didn't want didn't end up in charge.

Osem · 29-04-2015, 12:22

We've already seen with the coalition that one side or the other is claiming responsibility for the good stuff and denying accountability for the bad, then of course there's the tit for tat blocking of initiatives by one side or the other for reasons of political expediency.

Maybe there's no perfect system but if more people bothered to vote and did so other than on purely partisan lines, we'd have better representation and some accountability. As it is there are loads of MP's who only have to turn up on the day to get voted in time and time again. A good kick up the backside every so often wouldn't hurt any of them.

**Chris** · 29-04-2015, 12:31

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Under FPTP I'd have had to vote for a candidate I didn't actually want in order to ensure the one I really, really didn't want didn't end up in charge.

Welcome to Scotland 2015...

richard s · 29-04-2015, 14:34

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That beggars belief!

Did any see Dispatches last night on Inside Sports Direct.

What a hell hole.

Dave42 · 29-04-2015, 14:51

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Did any see Dispatches last night on Inside Sports Direct.

What a hell hole.

and the nasty party love them zero hour contracts too

**Chris** · 29-04-2015, 14:58

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Did any see Dispatches last night on Inside Sports Direct.

What a hell hole.

That would be a fair description of the insides of any sportswear shop.

denphone · 29-04-2015, 15:02

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and the nasty party love them zero hour contracts too

Most parties have a element of unpleasantness on certain wings of their party.

**Hugh** · 29-04-2015, 16:31

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and the nasty party love them zero hour contracts too

So do the Labour Council in Glasgow - they employ nearly 1800 people on them.....

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/l...447n.123964696

Osem · 29-04-2015, 16:45

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So do the Labour Council in Glasgow - they employ nearly 1800 people on them.....

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/l...447n.123964696

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but...

At least the 'nasty party' don't pretend to condemn them whilst a) using them and b) having done nothing whatsoever about them during a 13 year spell in government. That'd be hypocritical wouldn't it...

Makes you wonder which is the truly 'nasty' party.

heero_yuy · 29-04-2015, 16:47

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Originally Posted by denphone

Most parties have a element of unpleasantness on certain wings of their party.

Very true but it needs to be pointed out when they make policy statements that are obviously hypocritical in the extreme.