General Election 2015: Voting intentions & general discussion

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Wow, you must be rich by now

rich enough not to vote labour

[Ignitionnet]

This might make interesting reading for those obsessing over the deficit.

People are preaching how it's unfair to hump debts on our kids while completely ignoring that we're going to be forcing them to take on debt, potentially at considerably higher rates than the record low ones the country can borrow at now, because our politicians refuse to do essential investment.

If all the economists were laid end to end, they'd never reach a conclusion.

George Bernard Shaw

[Ignitionnet]

If all the politicians were laid end to end they'd form a spiral from all the spin, and find a way to claim they were straight as a ramrod.

I trust economists over a modern history graduate whose work experience outside of politics is folding towels and who wanted to spend more than the previous administration until the financial crisis hit. Call me gullible.

[Jimmy-J]

Ukip attacks 'biased BBC' for excluding Nigel Farage from final TV leaders' clash

Senior figures in the anti-Brussels party said the decision conflicted with a ruling by broadcast watchdog Ofcom that Ukip should be treated as a “major party” throughout the campaign.

It follows growing concern among Mr Farage’s team that much of the media, and the BBC in particular, is biased against Ukip.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...live-TV-debate

[papa smurf]

Do you really want this clown ruling us?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Yg0cXq00

You removed the FB and Twitter links ... They won't pay you this week now.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...live-TV-debate

I think the BBC will get away with it, by presenting it as a debate between the leader(s) of the government and the leader of the opposition.

[heero_yuy]

The Labour leader even travelled to Brand's £2million home in trendy Hoxton, East London, on Monday night to be questioned in his kitchen for a YouTube video.

These £2m mansion owners have to stick together.

I wonder which one of Brand's kitchens they were in.

[techguyone]

Heh you mean Russell 'I don't vote & I encourage everyone else not to vote' Brand?

Desperation, it's terrible to see.

[denphone]

Its terrible to see celebrities fraternising with politicians of all political persuasions in my book.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by denphone

Its terrible to see celebrities fraternising with politicians of all political persuasions in my book.

You have to wonder why any celebrity would be seen even dead with any politician?

Talk about a toxic brand.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

These £2m mansion owners have to stick together.

I wonder which one of Brand's kitchens they were in.

Yes I love the term 'mansion' deliberately used to imply that those who'll be being taxed on the notional value of their homes are all somehow landed gentry living in vast country piles, huge Belgravia terraces and swanky City penthouses...

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I really wish someone seeking my vote might just spell out what they're going to do to avoid repeat performances of the various hugely expensive mistakes and flawed projects we've all too often seen in the MOD, NHS etc. Surely preventing more vastly lucrative PFI and other contracts being signed off by people whose commercial and legal nowse is clearly lacking has to be a priority as should be removing from their posts those public officials who've been found seriously wanting. Instead what we seem to get is the same old faces being recycled from one dept. to another in spite of their performance rather than because of it.

[heero_yuy]

I'd rather see some additional council tax bands so that the money is spent locally rather than going into the Treasury's maw to be given to scroungers and ne'er-do-wells as election bribes.

But that doesn't play well to engendering the false class envy that is Labour's raison d'etre.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'd rather see some additional council tax bands so that the money is spent locally rather than going into the Treasury's maw to be given to scroungers and ne'er-do-wells as election bribes.

But that doesn't play well to engendering the false class envy that is Labour's raison d'etre.

That would be a much better solution IMHO too but you're right, that precludes the possibility of conjuring up the false images Labour so often rely upon.

I'm still waiting to hear anyone from Labour admit that their plans for preventing migrants from claiming benefits for a certain period are really only plans to restrict 'out of work' benefits and that the array of 'in work' benefits open to them will remain unchanged. Another deliberate false impression.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes I love the term 'mansion' deliberately used to imply that those who'll be being taxed on the notional value of their homes are all somehow landed gentry living in vast country piles, huge Belgravia terraces and swanky City penthouses...

Sorry and all that, but the idea that there are gazillions of elderly people with no cash living in £2 million+ properties is total bollocks. This is frankly propaganda spread by a party that loves painting anything to the left-wing of some of its positions as being somewhere between socialism and communism.

Property in the UK is massively under-taxed which is part of the reason so much dodgy money goes into buy-to-leave here. The only tax we have on property is council tax which is frankly laughable as you go into the extreme high-end.

The mansion tax is, however, a weak idea. A land value tax would be better. Land has value thanks to the actions of government via investing in infrastructure, controlling release of land for development, etc, only fair the government should receive some of the proceeds rather than it all going into private hands as a taxpayer handout.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'd rather see some additional council tax bands so that the money is spent locally rather than going into the Treasury's maw to be given to scroungers and ne'er-do-wells as election bribes.

Except it wouldn't be. Central government would just reduce the size of its grant to the local authority in parallel with increased council tax receipts.

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While on the topic of propaganda about that letter from '5,000 small businesses' supporting the Tories.

Frankly pathetic. That CCHQ hold the electorate in such disdain they attempt to pass this excrement off as legitimate is genuinely insulting. That the Torygraph just regurgitated it tells readers to avoid the newspaper if they want anything bar a Conservative Party political publication.