General Election 2015: Voting intentions & general discussion

[denphone]

Both parties are as bad as each other in smearing the other party and sadly that's not going to change.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Labour smearing people???

They'd never do that would they???

I mean it's not like they employed a team to do just that is it...

If it turns out to be true, however, it will have been an extremely stupid thing to do.

Even if it is traced back to Labour Party it'll be some poor intern on a zero hours contract that was told to do it by a party apparatchik and will have to take the rap and "admit" they did it off their own back.

This election is so dirty I wouldn't put anything past anybody just to get their mucky paws on the levers of power.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

Both parties are as bad as each other in smearing the other party and sadly that's not going to change.

They'll all be at it yes but I don't recall the Tories or Libs Dems stooping to the level of messrs. Draper and McBride.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Even if it is traced back to Labour Party it'll be some poor intern on a zero hours contract that was told to do it by a party apparatchik and will have to take the rap and "admit" they did it off their own back.

This election is so dirty I wouldn't put anything past anybody just to get their mucky paws on the levers of power.

That'd be par for the course...

Always ask: qui bono?

Wikipedia monitors these things. You think the mods and admins here can be anal? There are few more pompous and power crazed than a Wikipedian with admin access. They are zealous at this stuff. This was always going to be uncovered. It would have been plain stupid for the Tories to even try.

It has, by apparent coincidence, been uncovered right in the middle of the election campaign. At the very least, that puts Labour in the frame for nudging Wikipedia in the direction of these edits at this time.

However, unless someone in Conservative Central Office has been privateering, or otherwise operating a spectacularly stupid, ill-advised and naive online campaign, you have to admit that Labour benefits from making these edits and then flagging them up, while the Tories don't benefit from making edits that would inevitably have been discovered in due course.

It's not unimaginable that the Conservatives do not understand how IP address and Wikipedia works. I wouldn't assume they would have known the discovery of any editing would be discovered.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not unimaginable that the Conservatives do not understand how IP address and Wikipedia works. I wouldn't assume they would have known the discovery of any editing would be discovered.

Well they certainly don't understand how the internet works re: their policy of banning or regulating things on the net.

You'd have thought that after three years of injunctions against TPB that have failed to stop that site and the continued failure of ISP's to ban torrents and other file sharing at the behest of the record\movie industries it was obvious.

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not unimaginable that the Conservatives do not understand how IP address and Wikipedia works. I wouldn't assume they would have known the discovery of any editing would be discovered.

Considering the fact that Grant Shapps started up a Web Creation business in the 90s, and a Web Publishing business in the 2000s, I would imagine he is pretty au fait with the concept of IP addresses...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Okay maybe you don't remember. A record number of business folding, a record number of house repossession and unemployment doubling, the Tory handling of it made them unelectable and the growth labour enjoyed wasn't because of either party it was in spite of them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-done-for.html[COLOR="Silver"]

The article is amount the ERM, another example of why we need to keep our distance from all things EU.

I don't think you can really fault the management of the economy by the Conservatives. Their track record is second to none. Look at our economy now! From the catastrophe left to us by Labour we are now one of the fastest growing economies. Speaks for itself, really.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The article is amount the ERM, another example of why we need to keep our distance from all things EU.

I don't think you can really fault the management of the economy by the Conservatives. Their track record is second to none. Look at our economy now! From the catastrophe left to us by Labour we are now one of the fastest growing economies. Speaks for itself, really.

can't fault them, I'll repeat it for you record number of businesses folding, record number of house repossession and unemployment doubling. To simply dismiss it as being due to the ERM is like labour saying the problems they left were down to the global economic crisis. our economy went down the toilet due to the then pm's vanity project and the tories paid the price, the things people say about labour now were said about the Conservatives for years after and it's why they were unelectable for so long.

[richard s]

Loving the Tory campaign posters dotted here and there by the posh houses in our area, give the lady MP her due she does seem to do a good job for the local community, its a shame she is in the wrong party.

The posters do remind me of National Socialist Germany's attempt into gaining popularity.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

can't fault them, I'll repeat it for you record number of businesses folding, record number of house repossession and unemployment doubling. To simply dismiss it as being due to the ERM is like labour saying the problems they left were down to the global economic crisis. our economy went down the toilet due to the then pm's vanity project and the tories paid the price, the things people say about labour now were said about the Conservatives for years after and it's why they were unelectable for so long.

Going in to ERM was a catastrophic mistake made by Tories who no longer have any meaningful influence on the party. Furthermore it was *not* a mistake borne out of any fundamental Tory or broader right-wing ideology.

Holding ERM up as somehow relevant to today (even in the sense of trying to diss John Major) is pointless. Unlike, say, holding up the financial crash, the regulatory errors and governmental unpreparedness that exacerbated it. The loons responsible for that are very much still in the game, and are asking us to put them back in charge in a couple of weeks time.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Going in to ERM was a catastrophic mistake made by Tories who no longer have any meaningful influence on the party. Furthermore it was *not* a mistake borne out of any fundamental Tory or broader right-wing ideology.

Holding ERM up as somehow relevant to today (even in the sense of trying to diss John Major) is pointless. Unlike, say, holding up the financial crash, the regulatory errors and governmental unpreparedness that exacerbated it. The loons responsible for that are very much still in the game, and are asking us to put them back in charge in a couple of weeks time.

:true:

Odd how people who'd argue that figures from the past are more relevant to the problems we face today than the people currently running Labour.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Going in to ERM was a catastrophic mistake made by Tories who no longer have any meaningful influence on the party. Furthermore it was *not* a mistake borne out of any fundamental Tory or broader right-wing ideology.

Holding ERM up as somehow relevant to today (even in the sense of trying to diss John Major) is pointless. Unlike, say, holding up the financial crash, the regulatory errors and governmental unpreparedness that exacerbated it. The loons responsible for that are very much still in the game, and are asking us to put them back in charge in a couple of weeks time.

Dear oh dear talk about move the goalposts we go from their economic management being second to none to it being no longer relevant as everyone involved is old now. You'll have us believe tory excrement doesn't smell next, I get accused of rewriting history, whilst many here simply prefer to ignore it, well get on with it, I hope you find the solace you seek with them because personally I don't trust or like any party.

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Originally Posted by Osem

:true:

Odd how people who'd argue that figures from the past are more relevant to the problems we face today than the people currently running Labour.

Where has anyone said they're more relevant, resorting to making stuff up now, you really are turning into Arthur

[richard s]

Some person/s have great taste.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-32202718

[denphone]

Still there is no excuses for Vandalism though.