Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
01-03-2015, 17:49
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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I struggle to think of a better way to raise children other than allowing parents every right to make choices and decisions for their children
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Agreed. Unless someone can prove my way is wrong for my kids I'll carry on the way I know best.
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01-03-2015, 18:22
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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Agreed. Unless someone can prove my way is wrong for my kids I'll carry on the way I know best.
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To do that we need to book your kids in to see a psychiatrist.
what day suits you and the kids? 
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01-03-2015, 18:37
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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Agreed. Unless someone can prove my way is wrong for my kids I'll carry on the way I know best.
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there is enough evidence throughout history and in the present day world that shows indoctrination brings with it many risks, costs and dangers, which is the topic of this thread.
would it be a fair presumption to say that you do not feel you are indoctrinating your child/children into religion as per your own beliefs?
that they are given a fair chance to say 'no' or 'I don't want to go to church/mass/prayer/whatever' to which you listen, accept and respect without making them go anyway whilst trying to convince them that religion 'is best' (and that, more to the point, your religious beliefs are best and that they should really be a part of it)?
that they are fully aware and educated in not only other religions that they could chose to be a part of, but also not be a part of any religion at all?
and I repeat, ideologies themselves are not an issue for me. but the manner in which someone may become a part of it, is.
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01-03-2015, 19:18
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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He was Christian until his teens and then rejected religion so quite why he would want to deny the choice to others is beyond me
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The mind boggles.
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Even more boggling
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so far, Chris is the only person from a religious stand point who has actually asked questions about an atheists view without getting defensive and sarcy. it's why he has a lot of respect from me. he is able to debate and not turn it into an argument.
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Indeed.
A sensible conversation can always be held with that man.
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Agreed. Unless someone can prove my way is wrong for my kids I'll carry on the way I know best.
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You can only ever do what you think is best.
There's no qualification in parenting. You only know you've passed if they end up working useful members of society and not in jail, or on drugs.
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01-03-2015, 19:20
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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there is enough evidence throughout history and in the present day world that shows indoctrination brings with it many risks, costs and dangers, which is the topic of this thread.
would it be a fair presumption to say that you do not feel you are indoctrinating your child/children into religion as per your own beliefs?
that they are given a fair chance to say 'no' or 'I don't want to go to church/mass/prayer/whatever' to which you listen, accept and respect without making them go anyway whilst trying to convince them that religion 'is best' (and that, more to the point, your religious beliefs are best and that they should really be a part of it)?
that they are fully aware and educated in not only other religions that they could chose to be a part of, but also not be a part of any religion at all?
and I repeat, ideologies themselves are not an issue for me. but the manner in which someone may become a part of it, is. |
I don't like this continued use of the word "indoctrinate" .The way that Dawkins uses the word in sentences such as “ Children do need to be protected so that they can have a proper education and not be indoctrinated in whatever religion their parents happen to have been brought up in.” fills me with ideas of a '1984' style police checking up on parents .I wonder how his view would be enforced
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01-03-2015, 19:25
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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there is enough evidence throughout history and in the present day world that shows indoctrination brings with it many risks, costs and dangers, which is the topic of this thread. |
There'd be equally enough evidence to suggest bringing children up within Christianity develops them in to well-adjusted adults. Your move.
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01-03-2015, 20:03
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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There'd be equally enough evidence to suggest bringing children up within Christianity develops them in to well-adjusted adults. Your move.
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I repeat, yet again: it is not ideology or religion per-se that is the issue for me. But the manner in which people may become a part of it, is.
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01-03-2015, 20:07
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, you're judging someone's methods based on what might happen?
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01-03-2015, 20:09
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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my mum tried to indoctrinate me into liking sprouts .
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And do you like sprouts today? Of course not.Eventually children make up their own mind and their own decisions.Quite a few decide to do exactly the opposite of what their parents want. 
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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And do you like sprouts today? Of course not.Eventually children make up their own mind and their own decisions.Quite a few decide to do exactly the opposite of what their parents want. |
the're like religion i can cope with them at xmas if i have to 
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01-03-2015, 20:27
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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the're like religion i can cope with them at xmas if i have to |
LOL
i used to hate sprouts. but always put my hand up when somebody says "who wants sprouts!" now
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01-03-2015, 20:40
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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So if I'm understanding this correctly, you're judging someone's methods based on what might happen?
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No. I'm judging those people based on the methods they actually use. There are many ways a result can be achieved.
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And do you like sprouts today? Of course not.Eventually children make up their own mind and their own decisions.Quite a few decide to do exactly the opposite of what their parents want. |
There are actually two biological reasons for the example you gave.
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01-03-2015, 20:42
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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No. I'm judging those people based on the methods they actually use. There are many ways a result can be achieved.
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In which case I really can't see any reason for your reluctance for Chris and I bringing up our respective children in these ways.
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01-03-2015, 20:52
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In which case I really can't see any reason for your reluctance for Chris and I bringing up our respective children in these ways.
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If you're not indoctrinating (by definition), then I have no issue at all. Even if you were indoctrinating, it's not my place to tell you not to, but I do still think that it's wrong.
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01-03-2015, 21:07
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Re: Richard Dawkins says children need to be ‘protected’ from religion.
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If you're not indoctrinating (by definition), then I have no issue at all. Even if you were indoctrinating, it's not my place to tell you not to, but I do still think that it's wrong.
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And it would be my place to tell you I don't give two hoots about how you think I might be raising my children.
Why would you even assume I would be 'indoctrinating' anyway?
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