The shame of the government.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Its a lack of training the staff

They correctly asked for more evidence than a letter from a GP before deciding whether an ATOS assessment was needed. They obviously thought that if the info on the form was correct, then he wouldn't need an assessment, because there would be all sorts of documentation from consultants which hadn't been provided by the parents..

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I can answer several points on this matter.

1) This government have selected a private sector company to go through thousands of people that are sick and disabled and forcing them into work.

It has proved how insensitive they are by asking for MORE proof that this guy CANNOT work, yet his Medical paperwork from his Drs have said he cannot. The Drs word should be final.

The government are picking on the wrong people, instead of spending millions of pounds of getting the sick and disabled back to work. They should be picking on the people that WON'T work or even try and find work.

Yes, work is hard to find, but l know of several people that won't work and they claim benefit, and its more than what they would earn if they found a job.

2) The Government could save millions on stopping immigrants or illegals coming into the country and stretching our country to the limit.

Look in the papers and you will see that we will now have Romanians coming into country and they are sleeping rough in Central London. And they have stated in the papers yesterday that there are gangs coming over here - as the welfare system is soft and they can burglar houses and pickpocket each day.

I know of an area near where l work where there are Romanian Winder Washers earning £200 - £300 per day. They get there for 8am and disappear at dark, the police cannot catch them as they disappear.

The government will waste millions on clearing them from certain area's. The government can stop this overnight - just dont let them in.

Would it happen in other countries - NO.

Am l ranting against the Tories - Yes, WHY, They are letting in people that will rip off the country, yet picking on the poor and vulneable and disabled to save money.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The welfare bill would be much higher if it wasn't for the huge number of family members who care for their parents,spouses,children,grandchildren,aunts,uncle s.

[nomadking]

As I said, if somebody is that disabled etc, they will have had contact with consultants. GPs are NOT expert in all(if any) medical areas. They tend to refer patients on to consultants as they don't have the required expertise. The DWP are not simply going to take a generalised pronouncement from a GP as absolute proof. The DWP asked for evidence and the parents couldn't be bothered to provide it. The DWP obviously thought that there was more evidence that could be easily provided or they would have simply passed the buck onto ATOS to do an assessment. It looks like they were trying to avoid the need for that. Doesn't that show that they were trying to respect the claimants claimed disabilities by not putting them through an assessment?

It's not as if parents don't lie about their children.
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A mother of eight who fraudulently received £350,000 in benefits and tax credits has been jailed for four years.
Amanda Webber, 43, claimed five of her children had disabilities and medical conditions affecting their mobility.
But Brighton Crown Court heard the children were active and took part in drama and dance. Some even auditioned for ITV's Britain's Got Talent show.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

As I said, if somebody is that disabled etc, they will have had contact with consultants. GPs are NOT expert in all(if any) medical areas. They tend to refer patients on to consultants as they don't have the required expertise. The DWP are not simply going to take a generalised pronouncement from a GP as absolute proof. The DWP asked for evidence and the parents couldn't be bothered to provide it. The DWP obviously thought that there was more evidence that could be easily provided or they would have simply passed the buck onto ATOS to do an assessment. It looks like they were trying to avoid the need for that. Doesn't that show that they were trying to respect the claimants claimed disabilities by not putting them through an assessment?

It's not as if parents don't lie about their children.
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Great four years for £250k can't wait to see how long the bankers get for stealing hundreds of times that.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nomadking

As I said, if somebody is that disabled etc, they will have had contact with consultants. GPs are NOT expert in all(if any) medical areas. They tend to refer patients on to consultants as they don't have the required expertise. The DWP are not simply going to take a generalised pronouncement from a GP as absolute proof. The DWP asked for evidence and the parents couldn't be bothered to provide it. The DWP obviously thought that there was more evidence that could be easily provided or they would have simply passed the buck onto ATOS to do an assessment. It looks like they were trying to avoid the need for that. Doesn't that show that they were trying to respect the claimants claimed disabilities by not putting them through an assessment?

It's not as if parents don't lie about their children.
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Yes and it's people like them who make life so much harder (as if it isn't hard enough already) for genuine disabled people, their parents and carers.

We may be fortunate (if you can call it that), but we have copious evidence from various medical professionals which sets out our youngest's problems and limitations so won't find it either awkward or unreasonable if at some point it's requested by one agency or another. What I don't understand is why these parents found the request for more information so difficult. Maybe they were just tired of all the stress and grief being a carer can entail.

As had been pointed out above, carers do save the nation a fortune and IMHO deserve a bit more support than they currently get. It would actually save money if more people could afford to act as carers but as things stand doing this often involves an intolerable loss of income and a severe setback in terms of their long term employment prospects and even personal relationships.