David Cameron -hold your head in shame

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

One thing that is clear is whilst people such as yourselves are so entrenched in the state support model then the country is screwed .

Oh, I'm sure we'll manage.

just have to reduce the hundreds of thousands of pounds a year wages to a lot of individuals.
stop the one person lunches that cost the equivalent of a families entire weekly income.
stop the thousands of pounds bill companies get paid to turn up for a meeting.
stop the bedroom tax because it's going to cost a hell of a lot more than it's going to save.

feel free to add to the budget cut list.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

but these policies effect both sides of that dude this is the point everyone on the same side as me have continually tried to get across to you.

Its great it effecting those who won't help themselves but and this point you just have to concede the evidence is incontrovertible those who simply can not help themselves are being hit as well an just as hard.

The only way to get what you want is to have a means tested system personalized to each individual,which would be unfeasibly expensive and lead to more perceived discrimination amongst claimants .The size of the system dictates that it must ,for the large part ,be a one size fits all policy and unfortunately that does mean that some will be worse off than others ,that is life and will always be the case

Originally Posted by martyh

The only way to get what you want is to have a means tested system personalized to each individual,which would be unfeasibly expensive and lead to more perceived discrimination amongst claimants .The size of the system dictates that it must ,for the large part ,be a one size fits all policy and unfortunately that does mean that some will be worse off than others ,that is life and will always be the case

well you replied to me there but you said nothing

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

well you replied to me there but you said nothing

Yes i did ,i said that the system you want is unworkable ,it would certainly be the fairest but just not possible

Originally Posted by martyh

Yes i did ,i said that the system you want is unworkable ,it would certainly be the fairest but just not possible

so you are happy sitting back watching the innocent poorest amongst use suffer?

Your views lead me to think that is the case. As far as I am aware I have not mentioned a system? I just do not want ATOS ruining peoples lives or the Bedroom Tax. I just do not want Cameron to continue chipping away saving a few quid here and a few quid there when bigger better money saving solutions are out there but they are the tougher less popular with big business decisions so the poor are left to suffer

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

so you are happy sitting back watching the innocent poorest amongst use suffer?

Your views lead me to think that is the case. As far as I am aware I have not mentioned a system? I just do not want ATOS ruining peoples lives or the Bedroom Tax. I just do not want Cameron to continue chipping away saving a few quid here and a few quid there when bigger better money saving solutions are out there but they are the tougher less popular with big business decisions so the poor are left to suffer

This is the problem as far as i can see ,you are only concerned with the bits that affect you such as mentioned above, most people look at the big picture.I am not happy that poor people suffer that is an idiotic thing to say ,and i must say the only argument you and some others here seem capable of using,it is very insulting and extremely shortsighted.
I fully realise that in any society there will be be people who get tough breaks ,thankfully we live in a society that caters for them ,but catering for them does not mean it should be done to the detriment of those who are capable of supporting themselves either through will or just plain good luck

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I am getting so fed up with people sticking up for Cameron, blaming previous government for the mess we are in today. Absolute *****( CFT l apologise for the language).

I am getting fed up with people blaming Cameron, blaming the current government for the awful mess that Labour left the country in when they were finally given the boot. Absolute *****.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

There's really no point trying to educate or even respond to Arthur, he's proved himself as unable/unwilling to accept reality and post rational and coherent comment as he is to provide links. Politicians love people like Arthur because they know they'll just carry on putting their little cross in the same box no matter what.

Thats bang on target.

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Originally Posted by Paul M

I am getting fed up with people blaming Cameron, blaming the current government for the awful mess that Labour left the country in when they were finally given the boot. Absolute *****.

100% agree Paul

Just look at Labours track record whilst in power

They spent all the money so then then sold off the gold for as little as they could get. having then spent that monet they raided the pension plans and spent all that money. Meanwhile they took us in to 2 wars and one of them by lying.

To top it off they then borrowed even more money and spent that as well.

As for the EU they sold us down the river by handing over more power than any other Government ever has.

Labour are as trustworthy as a snake oil salesman and Arthur supports these idiots

Tony Blair did not exactly inherit a booming economy from Major did he this economy has been boom and bust in repeated patterns over and over again

you do all of course realise that a party loses an election because something is going wrong so both parties are equally unable to develop a working system

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I am getting fed up with people blaming Cameron, blaming the current government for the awful mess that Labour left the country in when they were finally given the boot. Absolute *****.

Some people are blaming Cameron for the policies and cuts he's doing saying that he's only doing it because of the previous government.
they believe that he'd do them anyway, but fortunately for him he can keep using the same old excuse. it's absolute *****.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Tony Blair did not exactly inherit a booming economy from Major did he this economy has been boom and bust in repeated patterns over and over again

you do all of course realise that a party loses an election because something is going wrong so both parties are equally unable to develop a working system

Wow ,that's a statement and a half ,one that goes against what leading economists,the figures themselves and Blair himself has said .Blair ,upon his election, decided to continue with Thatcherite policies and continued to have a stable economy similar to the one he inherited from the conservatives untill he decided to go his way and announced a massive increase in public spending ,buried us deeper into Europe and abandoned Thatchers policies in the run up to the 2001 election .After he did that it all went wrong .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Wow ,that's a statement and a half ,one that goes against what leading economists,the figures themselves and Blair himself has said .Blair ,upon his election, decided to continue with Thatcherite policies and continued to have a stable economy similar to the one he inherited from the conservatives untill he decided to go his way and announced a massive increase in public spending ,buried us deeper into Europe and abandoned Thatchers policies in the run up to the 2001 election .After he did that it all went wrong .

Well he's done nearly 3 years now, and he's got 2 left.
how much as he reduced the debt by, and how much more is he going to reduce it by 'if' he manages to stay in for the other 2 years?

pretend that he was in for another 5 years after this. no doubt he'd still be blaming labour for everything even though he's just had 5 years to reduce the debt.

how much as he reduced it by so far again?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well he's done nearly 3 years now, and he's got 2 left.
how much as he reduced the debt by, and how much more is he going to reduce it by 'if' he manages to stay in for the other 2 years?

pretend that he was in for another 5 years after this. no doubt he'd still be blaming labour for everything even though he's just had 5 years to reduce the debt.

how much as he reduced it by so far again?

The present government is very limited in what they can actually do simply because people like you won't give up the freebies handed out by Blair/Brown .Most of the changes won't show any appreciable difference for a few years yet ,much the same as when Thatcher was in charge .Her policies introduced when she took power didn't take effect untill well into her second term .Equally policies used by previous governments take a long time to get rid of .It's a very short sighted and naive view to think that major change in society and economical revival can take place overnight in political terms .
The main objective for any government coming into office is to survive the next election.Many have already said when Cameron got to power that he will never win the next election because the decisions he has to take for this countries economic survival will be so unpopular labour will return What most ,like you ,don't realise is that if Labour do get back in power the NHS reforms,welfare reforms, etc will not be repealed because labour will have to continue the cuts

Originally Posted by martyh

This is the problem as far as i can see ,you are only concerned with the bits that affect you such as mentioned above, most people look at the big picture.I am not happy that poor people suffer that is an idiotic thing to say ,and i must say the only argument you and some others here seem capable of using,it is very insulting and extremely shortsighted.
I fully realise that in any society there will be be people who get tough breaks ,thankfully we live in a society that caters for them ,but catering for them does not mean it should be done to the detriment of those who are capable of supporting themselves either through will or just plain good luck

That is so far from the truth it can not see the truth because it is a tiny spec in outer space

None of these effect me mate at all the Bedroom Tax did but I can claim Child benefit so it does not for 2 years. Oh and I am thinking about the bigger picture we need radicle changes. I do not have the answers I do not know most of the questions and perhaps I remember the past and Thatcher differently to you or Paul but one thing I know for sure is the boom and bust cycle just shows that what we are a county are doing is not working so its time for something different

[Gary L]

If it doesn't work like that, then why did Nick say that "his government is wiping the slate clean of debt"?
is it the case that the muppet made it up?

we don't hear or see a lot from him lately. is he on the Xbox all day or something?