David Cameron -hold your head in shame

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

If that proves to be the case we will see exactly where the populace stands on state welfare spending ,more welfare= less investment in other areas less welfare =more investment in other areas ,we can't have both

It's gone beyond a welfare spending problem.
he's hacked at it that much that you can now see that it's all about punishing the poor, the old, and the disabled.

if a government is prepared to do that to its own people then they won't be surprised when the same people fight back.

they keep saying point blankly that it does not and will not affect pensioners. but it's clearly there about pensioners that in October a couple both have to be over a certain age otherwise the bedroom tax will apply.

they've said that in October they estimate that the figures who are affected will be I think 90,000 more than the 660,000 in April.
that's the pensioners they've added. nobody else.

yep. Dave is going down.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Oh and it does not get past me how in all these threads the comfy middle classes can sit in judgement of these policies safe in the knowledge that its not gonna make a gnats penis difference to any of ya

What comfy middle class is that then ? I am most certainly not comfy middle class ,i work for about £8 p/h my wife works 10p above minimum wage ,we live in a council house .I watched my wages in one year drop by about £300 p/w when i was on the building sites.During that year i was forced to re-evaluate my lifestyle so i could get another job and not be left with a load of debt that had to be paid off .I now drive lorries ,i work very unsociable hours for not a lot of money but i am financially sound with no debt,i am most certainly not comfy middle class and i daresay others that post as i do are not either.Some may be but isn't that simply down to the way they have worked hard ,planned for the future as i have done ? instead of waiting for it all to go tits up and let the state pick up the tab

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Originally Posted by peanut

Or you could say the elderly are the key Tory voters, and you don't want to pee them off now do we.

How on earth do you come up with that conclusion .I would say that the voting preference amongst the elderly (lets say retired elderly) is about equally split ,getting them to change their allegiance is the hard thing

Originally Posted by martyh View Post
If that proves to be the case we will see exactly where the populace stands on state welfare spending ,more welfare= less investment in other areas less welfare =more investment in other areas ,we can't have both]

Forecasts say we will be in 1.500 000 000 000 in debt by 2016 where pray tell is the money coming from to invest then?

He is chipping away at a 1000 foot oak tree with a plastic spork all he is doing is scratching at the edges but its the poor who are there suffering for it. This country needs out of the EU and a closure to the tax loopholes until the or a government are strong enough to do this and so no to the puppet masters in big business this country will not recover

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Originally Posted by martyh

What comfy middle class is that then ? I am most certainly not comfy middle class ,i work for about £8 p/h my wife works 10p above minimum wage ,we live in a council house .I watched my wages in one year drop by about £300 p/w when i was on the building sites.During that year i was forced to re-evaluate my lifestyle so i could get another job and not be left with a load of debt that had to be paid off .I now drive lorries ,i work very unsociable hours for not a lot of money but i am financially sound with no debt,i am most certainly not comfy middle class and i daresay others that post as i do are not either.Some may be but isn't that simply down to the way they have worked hard ,planned for the future as i have done ? instead of waiting for it all to go tits up and let the state pick up the tab

I seriously do not understand your stance on political threads then

There are still only 1 job for every 5 unemployed. The unemployed can not go into full time education to try and improve things as then they will lose benefit. There is no magic wand that will suddenly make these peoples lives better but there is Cameron's axe which makes it worse. Fair play to you though

Originally Posted by Gary L

It's gone beyond a welfare spending problem.
he's hacked at it that much that you can now see that it's all about punishing the poor, the old, and the disabled.
.

Only to people like you ,who think that the state should provide everything

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

instead of waiting for it all to go tits up and let the state pick up the tab

This is the exact same line that Dave and his mates are trying to feed to everyone else.
it explains it all.
it's all about relying on the state for free money and nothing else.
there's no real hardship and poverty in the country. it's all self made.

so punishing them is the answer.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Only to people like you ,who think that the state should provide everything

And there it is again.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by martyh

Only to people like you ,who think that the state should provide everything

Is that an 'I'm okay Jack, if I can do it then so should everyone else, the sick included' statement, as it would explain your stance.

Originally Posted by martyh

Only to people like you ,who think that the state should provide everything

how's about we have a cull? a national lottery say where we wipe out 5% of the population? Or maybe we really do need a war to sort it all out?or the bird flu to do its stuff ? population is growing at a ridicules rate there will be more and more unproductive OAPs out there reliant on the state for care. Perhaps we should have an age limit? a maximum life span like in Logan's run? Perhaps this should be global?

There are at least 2 million people that there is no job for perhaps we should just abolish JSA and let them stave? that will sort it all out eh

Originally Posted by Gary L

. it's all self made.

.

In a lot of cases it is .Labour made it possible for large swathes of the country to live on benefits with little encouragement to get off them

At least we are clear where you stand now .Benefits as a way of life is acceptible.

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Originally Posted by peanut

Is that an 'I'm okay Jack, if I can do it then so should everyone else, the sick included' statement, as it would explain your stance.

So working hard ,planning for the future is a bad thing then is it ?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by martyh

So working hard ,planning for the future is a bad thing then is it ?

Not at all, but the sod the rest of you attitude doesn't help you much though.

[Gary L]

Oh, you're harsh Marty.
all them little boys and girls going hungry and suffering.

and the attitude of tough.

go on. do that thing where you say "Oh I don't mean all of them"

but you have to mean all of them. you say so in your posts.

Originally Posted by peanut

Not at all, but the sod the rest of you attitude doesn't help you much though.

What you don't understand is that it is not a "sod the rest attitude" it is a "sod the ones who won't help themselves attitude" big difference and one you and others would do well to note .I am not well off ,i am not secure financially for the rest of life ,the cuts and the recession have affected me massively ,in the space of 2 yrs i have gone from being reasonably stable financially to totally changing my way of life so i can cope financially with vastly reduced income and possible unemployment.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Gary L

go on. do that thing where you say "Oh I don't mean all of them"

but you have to mean all of them. you say so in your posts.

Lol, too late...

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

What you don't understand is that it is not a "sod the rest attitude" it is a "sod the ones who won't help themselves attitude"

There it is.

you don't mean all of them.

but what I can never work out is how you know who is who.

Originally Posted by peanut

Lol, too late...

Originally Posted by Gary L

There it is.

you don't mean all of them.

but what I can never work out is how you know who is who.

One thing that is clear is whilst people such as yourselves are so entrenched in the state support model then the country is screwed .

Originally Posted by martyh

What you don't understand is that it is not a "sod the rest attitude" it is a "sod the ones who won't help themselves attitude" big difference and one you and others would do well to note .I am not well off ,i am not secure financially for the rest of life ,the cuts and the recession have affected me massively ,in the space of 2 yrs i have gone from being reasonably stable financially to totally changing my way of life so i can cope financially with vastly reduced income and possible unemployment.

but these policies effect both sides of that dude this is the point everyone on the same side as me have continually tried to get across to you.

Its great it effecting those who won't help themselves but and this point you just have to concede the evidence is incontrovertible those who simply can not help themselves are being hit as well an just as hard.