You can't get me I'm part of the Union........

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And that is completely irrelevent to whether VM should recognise the CWU for one part of it's business or not

Yes, there are bad businesses, but there also bad unions. To assume that every company is only doing right by their employees only because of a union is just wrong.

I have never felt the need to join the CWU at VM because they have always treated me fairly, and out of all the places I've worked over the years, it's at the top.

Probably the most sensible post in this thread imo ,

i might add also that the reason ,or one of the reasons why VM no longer want to recognise the CWU is because of the financial fiddling that the reps appear to be doing ,just my opinion you understand

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

Probably the most sensible post in this thread imo ,

i might add also that the reason ,or one of the reasons why VM no longer want to recognise the CWU is because of the financial fiddling that the reps appear to be doing ,just my opinion you understand

do you work for vm or the cwu ?

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And that is completely irrelevent to whether VM should recognise the CWU for one part of it's business or not.

I think the thread has expanded from the VM / CWU dispute, has it not? It wasn't directed at VM although that VM superstar minibus that I sometimes see in Bellshill looks a bit dodgey

Yes, there are bad businesses, but there also bad unions. To assume that every company is only doing right by their employees only because of a union is just wrong.

Who's assuming that?

I have never felt the need to join the CWU at VM because they have always treated me fairly, and out of all the places I've worked over the years, it's at the top

Excellent. I know many people who feel the same as you. I also know many people who benefit from being part of an organised Trade union. Nobody in this day and age is forced to join so presumably they're getting something out of it.

Isn't democracy wonderful?

I've also come across a fair few people, like you, who've wished they'd joined a union earlier when a managerial change, takeover or whim bursts their perceived comfort bubble.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Goes a bit further than that - might be worth reading the whole article

You are trying to compare a man leading a union with *******s closing a major US company get real and come back to reality as you know very little about unions and the people involved and will post anything you feel discredits unions are you sure you are not a friend of a certain Richard.

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

I've also come across a fair few people, like you, who've wished they'd joined a union earlier when a managerial change, takeover or whim bursts their perceived comfort bubble.

Exactly what happened at the Albert Dock as people feel they can trust the company they work for, forgetting that the company in reality sees them only as a number who can be disposed of on a whim.

People can be happy in their work but it is stupid of them to assume that everything is hunky dory and that the attitude of "I'm alright Jack" is the correct attitude in this day and age.

[Sirius]

I am starting to get a better picture of who is who here by there posts

[papa smurf]

im off to picket the tea machine

i shall not be mooooooved

Originally Posted by Peter_

You are trying to compare a man leading a union with *******s closing a major US company get real and come back to reality as you know very little about unions and the people involved and will post anything you feel discredits unions are you sure you are not a friend of a certain Richard.

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Exactly what happened at the Albert Dock as people feel they can trust the company they work for, forgetting that the company in reality sees them only as a number who can be disposed of on a whim.

People can be happy in their work but it is stupid of them to assume that everything is hunky dory and that the attitude of "I'm alright Jack" is the correct attitude in this day and age.

So when people try to give an alternative view you are told to get real - nice

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I have never felt the need to join the CWU at VM because they have always treated me fairly,

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

So when people try to give an alternative view you are told to get real - nice

No it is because rather than look at the facts with unbiased eyes you choose to try and discredit the head of the CWU by comparing him to bosses of an American company feathering their nests as did the old bosses at Rover did with 42 million just before they closed the company.

Now because a union has the audacity to stand up to bosses you think they are wrong, sounds like you would rather tug your forelock to them instead.

Originally Posted by Peter_

No it is because rather than look at the facts with unbiased eyes you choose to try and discredit the head of the CWU by comparing him to bosses of an American company feathering their nests as did the old bosses at Rover did with 42 million just before they closed the company.

Now because a union has the audacity to stand up to bosses you think they are wrong, sounds like you would rather tug your forelock to them instead.

I didn't write the article, I have not compared him to anyone - the article talks about dodgy dealings - get your facts right before making our its me who is trying to discredit anyone!

[papa smurf]

i have to wonder how much has this campaign cost- organising and paying for a private company to organise a vote etc -lost hours sitting in "road shows" -mail drops - listening to recorded phone messages -people standing around discussing etc -staff doing as little as possible because they feel betrayed by vm .

this all can't come cheap .

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I didn't write the article, I have not compared him to anyone - the article talks about dodgy dealings - get your facts right before making our its me who is trying to discredit anyone!

I hope that when your time comes and the company you work for drops you in it that maybe at that point you will realise what a union is for as up to now all your posts smack of desperation and intent to discredit unions.

Hopefully your local union will not allow you to join if the company decides that it no longer requires your services and you have to rely on other means of support, if you have never been in that position then you have little or no idea so rather than union bashing try reading up on how unions and businesses actually work.

Originally Posted by Peter_

I hope that when your time comes and the company you work for drops you in it that maybe at that point you will realise what a union is for as up to now all your posts smack of desperation and intent to discredit unions.

Hopefully your local union will not allow you to join if the company decides that it no longer requires your services and you have to rely on other means of support, if you have never been in that position then you have little or no idea so rather than union bashing try reading up on how unions and businesses actually work.

You mean putting across a different view, it's a free country we are all entitled to that.

As I said in a previous post, I was in a union but grew up in Notts and saw thousands lose their jobs including members of my family, due to the union not backing down, so quit your preaching, scars like that take a lifetime to heal.

Btw if for some reason I wanted to join a union it's my democratic right to do so

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Top banana

You mean putting across a different view, it's a free country we are all entitled to that.

As I said in a previous post, I was in a union but grew up in Notts and saw thousands lose their jobs including members of my family, due to the union not backing down, so quit your preaching, scars like that take a lifetime to heal.

Btw if for some reason I wanted to join a union it's my democratic right to do so

its your right to apply for membership ,its also ours to refuse that membership and btw we don't have a coal miners division as far as i know.

any way i'm of to picket the tea machine again

[Sirius]

Don't forget guys, your end of year reviews start just after this vote comes to a end