You can't get me I'm part of the Union........

Originally Posted by papa smurf

even join a union ?

Why can they stop firms going bust?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Why can they stop firms going bust?

In some cases, they can do quite the opposite http://abcnews.go.com/Business/twink...ry?id=17725053

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

In some cases, they can do quite the opposite http://abcnews.go.com/Business/twink...ry?id=17725053

The strikes began on Nov. 9, when the company imposed a contract that would cut workers' wages by 8 percent.

i would say thats the reason behind the demise of the twinkie any way someone like kraft will take over, the twinkie will live on

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I was dead against unions up until about 2 years ago, then there was a couple of incidents at work that made me change my mind. I had also had a long conversation with a couple of union members before i joined to confirm that the union i was joining was not still living in the past and was in fact there to help more than hinder.

It is amazing how some people will continue to stick their heads in the sand even after speaking to union members who fully explain how a modern union works but many like yourself come to realise the valuable contribution a union makes to the workplace.

Most people do not even know the difference between a shop steward and a union appointed health and safety representative as only one of these two union positions has legal rights and the law on their side.

Answer.

Spoiler: 

union appointed health and safety representative have legal rights and the law on their side http://www.tuc.org.uk/extras/brownbook.pdf

Originally Posted by BenMcr

In some cases, they can do quite the opposite http://abcnews.go.com/Business/twink...ry?id=17725053

And in the same case, it's not that simple, apparently....

Politix

The Sacramento Bee quotes the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union on alleged pay raises for Hostess execs during earlier bankruptcy filings, including a supposedly tripled salary for former CEO Brian Driscoll: "As the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."

[papa smurf]

Trumka painted Twinkie's employees as the victims of the company - especially since the company's closure will mean 18,550 job losses. Hostess has called itself the victim of overly-demanding workers, who made the company unprofitable. The company previously filed for bankruptcy in 2009 and again in January 2012.

The Sacramento Bee quotes the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union on alleged pay raises for Hostess execs during earlier bankruptcy filings, including a supposedly tripled salary for former CEO Brian Driscoll: "As the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."
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its so hard to imagine management not being 100% truthful ,and feathering their own nests at the expense of the workforce .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Trumka painted Twinkie's employees as the victims of the company - especially since the company's closure will mean 18,550 job losses. Hostess has called itself the victim of overly-demanding workers, who made the company unprofitable. The company previously filed for bankruptcy in 2009 and again in January 2012.

The Sacramento Bee quotes the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union on alleged pay raises for Hostess execs during earlier bankruptcy filings, including a supposedly tripled salary for former CEO Brian Driscoll: "As the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."
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its so hard to imagine management not being 100% truthful ,and feathering their own nests at the expense of the workforce .

Same goes for union leaders though - http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/b...s/3769.article

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Same goes for union leaders though - http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/b...s/3769.article

Are we getting desperate now to discredit the unions with a reference to what he gets paid, do you think he should be on £15,000 instead get real and stop snatching at straws.

Swings and roundabouts with bosses and unions.

All I know is historically unions played an important part in getting employee legislation onto the books that protects employees from the worst excesses that employers have used in the past.

But with great power comes great responsibility not to misuse that power.

I recommend that all workers join a union but only after researching who will play fair with their membership and the employers of those members.Don't just choose the cheapest membership subscription.Also if you don't like what your union does..leave them and choose another.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Swings and roundabouts with bosses and unions.

All I know is historically unions played an important part in getting employee legislation onto the books that protects employees from the worst excesses that employers have used in the past.

But with great power comes great responsibility not to misuse that power.

I recommend that all workers join a union but only after researching who will play fair with their membership and the employers of those members.Don't just choose the cheapest membership subscription.Also if you don't like what your union does..leave them and choose another.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Peter_

Are we getting desperate now to discredit the unions with a reference to what he gets paid, do you think he should be on £15,000 instead get real and stop snatching at straws.

Goes a bit further than that - might be worth reading the whole article

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I would do whatever I had to to keep a roof over my head

Even risk your life or the lives of others?

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Even risk your life or the lives of others?

Of course not - why do you ask such a silly question

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Of course not - why do you ask such a silly question

...because that's the sort of things workers are still being asked to do.

Thankfully not everybody has your attitude so management don't get away with, for example, forcing drivers to take buses out that aren't fit for the road.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Thankfully not everybody has your attitude so management don't get away with, for example, forcing drivers to take buses out that aren't fit for the road.

And that is completely irrelevent to whether VM should recognise the CWU for one part of it's business or not

Yes, there are bad businesses, but there also bad unions. To assume that every company is only doing right by their employees only because of a union is just wrong.

I have never felt the need to join the CWU at VM because they have always treated me fairly, and out of all the places I've worked over the years, it's at the top.