Serious accident on M5

[swoop101]

why does nobody question why the LGV hit the bus anyway???
He was obviously driving too fast for the conditions.

Originally Posted by mertle

yep could not argue the highway code but not seen the location if was barrier then he had no defence not too.

here you go ,you can see the barrier but it looks like it is a 2 lane stretch of motorway it's unclear if there actually is a hard shoulder on that stretch which makes it more imperative to get the passengers off the bus and don't forget the driver has a duty of care to the passengers which is why he has been arrested in my opinion

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news

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Originally Posted by swoop101

why does nobody question why the LGV hit the bus anyway???
He was obviously driving too fast for the conditions.

probably because 38 tons of steel travelling at 56 mph does not stop that quickly and he would not be expecting a bus full of passengers stopped in the slow lane

[mertle]

Originally Posted by martyh

here you go ,you can see the barrier but it looks like it is a 2 lane stretch of motorway it's unclear if there actually is a hard shoulder on that stretch which makes it more imperative to get the passengers off the bus and don't forget the driver has a duty of care to the passengers which is why he has been arrested in my opinion

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news

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probably because 38 tons of steel travelling at 56 mph does not stop that quickly and he would not be expecting a bus full of passengers stopped in the slow lane

I just seen location martyh stand by he was absolute spot on regardless the highway code.

I firmly believe the embankment way too steep it would be extremely hard and even dangerous to have a bus full passengers in that location. In hindsight maybe he should told the last 2 rows to stand out there behind it and told rest buckle up and stay seated as there not enough room behind barrier safetly stand.

I accept rules are rules this case highway code but it should be common sense decision this location not safe. Book tells you all things but still judgement call would like to ask the highway police were should they stood safetly when its bus full.

Maybe family in car could get bit protection but line a coach full behind the barrier you would have some exposed.

Now if they could walked back there was area with lot room to stand but considering conditions partly its not barriered it was huge risk.

I hope the charges dropped for common sense prevail.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by denphone

M5 crash leaves coach passenger dead and 39 others hurt.

Very sad...... I hope all 39 recover straight away!!

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[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Very sad...... I hope all 39 recover straight away!!

Yes it is very sad but lets hope all the others recover from their injuries.

[swoop101]

Originally Posted by martyh

probably because 38 tons of steel travelling at 56 mph does not stop that quickly and he would not be expecting a bus full of passengers stopped in the slow lane

Precisely... he was travelling too fast for the road and weather conditions, as a professional driver he should have been moving at a much slower speed than he was. The distance the bus has moved (with the handbrake on) shows that he was not hanging around.

[Cobbydaler]

The hard shoulder was cordoned off for road works.

After getting the call they put a warning on an overhead sign.

It's all in the video here:

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16195395

[Derek]

Originally Posted by looselipsuk

So a 999 call is sent 12 minutes before the crash reporting the stranded coach and then, after a call is received saying a large goods vehicle has collided with the rear of the coach, they are able to dispatch police officers who manage to arrive within 6 minutes.
Maybe a shame they were not dispatched after the first phone call as they could have been there 6 minutes before the crash and maybe have stopped it happening.

Originally Posted by mertle

If this true why not arrest the call centre or police who failed to see how dangerous situation was. that makes me now.

The Police were probably already dispatched, a broken down vehicle isn't automatically the highest priority there is. If an accident occurs the obviously the seriousness increases and the fast response becomes more important.

Originally Posted by mertle

To me I cant see A how the charges can be made he did the correct thing by getting to the shoulder. B how the hell police think there was any dangerous driving. Dangerous driving packing it in lane 1, 2 or 3 thats dangerous.

Now only going whats reportedon that note feel it is peposperous. You may as well arrest every driver in fog, dangerous conditions for driving in it.

I think the police should be bit more tactful. That driver would be shaken by whats happened dont need the police cautioning him at this time when all it looks a TRAGIC ACCIDENT.

Good to see you can write off a death and serious injuries as an accident from some videos and web posts. Maybe leave the decisions about Policing to people who are there, in possession of the full facts and deal with serious RTAs on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by mertle

Like posted in past there seems air with police today death involved then someone should be charged. Police not inflamable so why do expect motorists.

The hi-viz nylon makes them pretty flammable...

Anyway, if the Police don't seem like they are investigating they are accused of laziness, incompetence or corruption. If someone dies then it's only right the full circumstances are investigated and it's not written off before the blood has dried on the Tarmac.

Originally Posted by swoop101

Precisely... he was travelling too fast for the road and weather conditions, as a professional driver he should have been moving at a much slower speed than he was. The distance the bus has moved (with the handbrake on) shows that he was not hanging around.

don't be so quick to judge that may or may not have been the case ,the tacho will the tell the story as to the trucks speed and you cannot possibly know that the driver of the truck was going too fast for the conditions .

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16195868

the lorry driver has died

[denphone]

Thats very sad to hear.

[swoop101]

Originally Posted by martyh

don't be so quick to judge that may or may not have been the case ,the tacho will the tell the story as to the trucks speed and you cannot possibly know that the driver of the truck was going too fast for the conditions .

If he could not see the obstruction in time to stop or avoid he was going too fast, that is the hard and fast facts to the matter.
1) The bus was broken down, so was stationary.
2) The Artic was moving and did not avoid the stationary object.

Therefore he was moving too fast for the weather and road conditions, otherwise he would have driven around the bus with no problems.

Please note, I am a professional driver so I do know what I am talking about.

Yes it is sad news the driver died, I feel for his family

Originally Posted by swoop101

If he could not see the obstruction in time to stop or avoid he was going too fast, that is the hard and fast facts to the matter.
1) The bus was broken down, so was stationary.
2) The Artic was moving and did not avoid the stationary object.

Therefore he was moving too fast for the weather and road conditions, otherwise he would have driven around the bus with no problems.

Please note, I am a professional driver so I do know what I am talking about.

Yes it is sad news the driver died, I feel for his family

and what was the correct speed for the conditions you being a professional driver and all

[swoop101]

how the hell can I tell you that??
I was not there. Now take your stupid attitude and stick it up your arse

Originally Posted by swoop101

how the hell can I tell you that??
I was not there. Now take your stupid attitude and stick it up your arse

Exactly ,you don't know so before you go accusing people wait for the profesionals i.e the police to finish their job