The jarrow march 2011

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Someone on this thread brought up an interesting comment, concerning jobs are being taken by immigrants.

Employers choose to pay a lower rate of wage, so that immigrants will taken them, as most of there money is sent back home or wasted.

No one can expect anyone with a family to take a job on low pay, it just would not work, no matter what the government say, you can get help BUT you have to work so many weeks before getting benefit, but then you are checked out and need a pay slip etc. It just is not worth the hassle.

[Ignitionnet]

We've a minimum wage, most of the jobs created are crap, so quite appropriately pay minimum wage.

Unskilled, poorly educated, barely if at all literate/numerate Brits turn their nose up at such things.

I can't remember the last time a takeaway was delivered by a Brit, either Polish or Asian, house move we had Polish movers, Polish and Asians working at KFC / Wimpy.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Ignitionnet, l do agree BUT these companies are allowed to get away with paying the minimum wage, and some companies pay less, and also offer part time work, which means they can sack them before there time is up.

On the news today, a company has been found that they sacked most of there staff, and took them back on again at a lower rate.

What this government has to do, promote more jobs, stop making people redundant, promote British companies, and not let contracts be allowed to go abroad, British companies have good record for producing quality products, its about time the government chose it, instead of allowing it to go to slave companies abroad.

"British companies have a good record for producing quality products"????

Two words for you - "British Leyland".

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The politics in the initial post aside I am happy to give this march wholehearted support, our youth deserve a far better deal than the one politicians of every colour have given them.

I wholeheartedly agree Cameron is thick just following thatcher sadly can see very similar paterns in his policies. She who caused a generation devestation to many all they did was create half brained schemes. That was stupid which all it did keep you off the streets rather career oportunities.

I feel for them I hope it makes a difference its sickening whats happening with youth unemployment they do deserve better. Fear if nothing changes they could be the next generation get 10 years struggle.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"British companies have a good record for producing quality products"????

Two words for you - "British Leyland".

And what a bottomless pit that was.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

That's what you get when you nationalise a union riddled organisation. A money pit, just think of British Steel in the 70's: £1 billion a year losses. The mines, railways, etc the list of white elephants is endless.

Surprisingly people actually liked BL's cars in the 70's and would have bought enough to keep the company afloat if they could have produced them. The constant strikes holding up deliveries and causing poor production quality caused customers to go elsewhere and never return. That blighted future developments by starving them of funds. It's why the Metro had to soldier on with the mini's engine for a decade.

Yes l know and then we have the other end of the scale and the great profit making of privatised companies and their greedy shareholders and where the poor customer gets continious price rises and a very shoddy service while they coin in huge profits.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by mertle

I wholeheartedly agree Cameron is thick just following thatcher sadly can see very similar paterns in his policies. She who caused a generation devestation to many all they did was create half brained schemes. That was stupid which all it did keep you off the streets rather career oportunities.

Sorry to urinate on your bonfire but I was thinking mostly of the government who were in power for the overwhelming majority of the current school leavers' lifetimes and who had ample chances to improve their lot but instead focussed on the state taking over from fathers and removing them from the financial equation, and having outreach co-ordinators and non-jobs try and do parenting for parents who shouldn't have been.

There is absolutely no way, whatsoever, that the plight of the current 16 - 21 year olds can be laid at the foot of either Cameron or Thatcher, the people in charge of parenting policy, welfare policy, I mention those because they're the two most relevant to this discussion, youth training and education while the above were between 2 and 14 and 7 and 19 respectively was the Labour party.

The concern over Cameron is that he shows no signs of reversing this desperately awful trend, continuing to allocate resources badly, the only hope is that through welfare and taxation they'll get a grip and accept that, on the whole, 2 parent families do better than 1 and reflect this within tax and benefits rather than incentivising 1 parent families.

[Osem]

I reckon someone really ought to be asking the last 'lot' just what jobs they were expecting our youth to take in the future. It was they who opened the floodgates to cheap EU labour which took many of the 'starter jobs' whilst at the same time deluding themselves that we could churn out a generation of graduates and that they'd all somehow find worthwhile and rewarding careers commensurate with their academic achievement. Adding fees into the equation was simply pouring salt on the wound they'd created and adding yet more debt burden on the young. HMG and UK PLC are now truly in between a rock and a hard place! God only knows where all this is going to end but jobs can't be created from nothing (unless you're Labour that is ) and there's nothing to stop more migrants hoovering up what jobs there are. As the parent of two teenagers I have great concern about their future in terms of education, employment, their tax burden and welfare. Still, "things can only get better" eh?

[Derek]

Obviously things aren't that bad...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8814...e-journey.html

Less than a week after hundreds left Jarrow in a blaze of publicity little over a dozen were still plodding towards London – and depending on lifts in a hired coach to keep the protest moving

Most of the protesters had pulled out complaining about sore feet or that they had to go home to sign on or to start university.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

There are people up and down the whole length of Great Britain, who are unemployed, and it will get worse.

You cannot produce jobs, if there are no jobs there, yes we have supermarket chains opening up, but there are long queues waiting to be told, yes you can have a job, but then you have to start looking, but l don't know what area is worse than others, as the government don't tell you that.

It is no good the government talking about how to solve debt, we have to get people back to work, and get the employment chain running again, it does not help when the government are forcing cuts, or when they award contracts that this country can do, to oversea's companies. To get this country moving again, this is where they have to start again. The government can always open the mines, and bring work and warmth to us.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The government can always open the mines, and bring work and warmth to us.

Or they could send children up chimneys instead

Who would buy the coal produced in the UK when they can get it far cheaper elsewhere?

[squealy]

Originally Posted by Osem

It was they who opened the floodgates to cheap EU labour

I think you'll find it was Edward Heath's Conservative government that were responsible for this by gaining us entry into the EEC in 1973.

Btw for those critical of Thatcher's employment training schemes, I was a victim of one myself in the late 1980s. I was taught how to operate computers and how to type, and haven't been out of work for any significant length of time since.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by squealy

I think you'll find it was Edward Heath's Conservative government that were responsible for this by gaining us entry into the EEC in 1973.

Btw for those critical of Thatcher's employment training schemes, I was a victim of one myself in the late 1980s. I was taught how to operate computers and how to type, and haven't been out of work for any significant length of time since.

Yes I'm well aware of Heath's role in signing us up for the common market but it was subsequent treaties allowing and following the expansion of the EU which has got us to where we are with no control over our broders with Europe and increasingly few of our laws. IMHO Heath was an awful PM but even I can't blame him for what subsequent governments have allowed to happen and the way in which an 'economic community' has been hijacked by those obssessed with a single European state.

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Originally Posted by Derek

Or they could send children up chimneys instead

Who would buy the coal produced in the UK when they can get it far cheaper elsewhere?

Yes and I dare say Arthur would be the first to complain about the resulting increased cost of energy and blame that on Thatcher and those evil Tories too...

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes I'm well aware of Heath's role in signing us up for the common market but it was subsequent treaties allowing and following the expansion of the EU which has got us to where we are with no control over our broders with Europe and increasingly few of our laws. IMHO Heath was an awful PM but even I can't blame him for what subsequent governments have allowed to happen and the way in which an 'economic community' has been hijacked by those obssessed with a single European state.

I agree comparing the EEC (common market)to the modern EU is ridiculous ,they are 2 completely different animals