Riots

Originally Posted by Osem

Have I argued for NO civil liberties? Have I said it's black and white? All or nothing? Did I say these people condoned rioting? That's rather a pathetic response and a very cheap shot of your own if I may say so. What these people have allowed to happen is not the riots, but the gradual taking away of the police's ability to act to defend the majority and the erosion of the respect with which they should be regarded. It's that which has allowed the riots to happen and I trust that's clear enough for you now. It seems you 'misunderstood' an earlier post of mine and I don't normally have that much trouble being clear so you'd probably be doing yourself a favour if you tried reading my last post again and, instead of putting words in my mouth, asking me to clairfy what you don't understand.

I didn't misunderstand the original post at all. The distinction between claiming they created the environment which allowed the protests to happen and they caused the protest is not great, your still tagging them with some responsibly for the riots. That the civil liberties they fight for allowed it to happen.

Now the quaint and affluent streets of London are under threat, I wonder if the left leaning, namby-pamby lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists, activists and other apologists who live in them are focussing their minds on what they've allowed to happen and the vigilantism that is inevitably starting to surface?


This would have happened anyway. There were riots many times before in London, long before the police had more restrictions placed on them. This one is especially odd because it's just sheer criminality. It's not the fault of tax cuts, youth centre closures, someone being shot or increased human rights. We have seen from the many protests previously then the police do 'go in' but given the mass scale of this and the sporadic and uncontrollable nature of the outbursts they are trying different approaches.

Everyone has a different theory into the cause of these riots and they seem to be something that fits into their political viewpoint. It's Labour's fault because they eroded respect, it's the Conservatives' fault because they cut Police numbers/youth centres, it's Capitalism's fault for creating a rich/poor divide or it's Socialism's fault for creating a sense of entitlement.

The truth is we do not know. I suspect there is no logic or reason. A smaller riot after a Policeman shot a suspect took on a different tone as a copycat riot took place in Enfield and then young people from other regions took to that in order to 'have fun' and steal.

What's Ms Chakrabati's answer to this do you think? What does she suggest the police do? She's normally so vocal when the police have supposedly done wrong......

They are a pressure group for civil liberties. They speak out on civil liberties. Their role is not to be balanced to defend the police. It's not hypocritical for them to take that position.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sirius

, does that included you thinly veiled attacks on the present Government in which you quickly say " not that i am involving politics" " or dont involve politics"

Look having political arguments does not get to the root of any problems as people can become very passionate about their own views but there is nothing with people having different opinions on how to solve problems.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That's ane extremely unfair thing to say!




(they are not that thinly veiled....)

Nice of you to think that.

Originally Posted by Zee

Look at these 2 stupid girls bragging about it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

i'd love to slap them silly

Jesus......they make me a) want to punch my TFT and 2) I think I need the bathroom....stupid little girls - they have no idea...

[Jimmy-J]

67 year old man critical in hospital after clashing with rioters last night.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

67 year old man critical in hospital after clashing with rioters last night.

Link?

[Gary L]

Someone said to me "who needs terrorists when we have our own kids"

it is going to be worse tonight I think. it's going to expand to many cities because in my view it's like a challenge has been laid out to them.
if anything I'd also say that a lot of the public are going to get hurt because of the stand of defending themselves.

you also have to take into account that the way kids think. if someone is doing it somewhere else then they don't want to get a reputation that they didn't join in in their own yard.

Originally Posted by danielf

Now that brought a smile to my face. I love that pic with the brooms. More of that please

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[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Damien

More more more!

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by danielf

Link?

On LBC news, plus a 26 year old shot in his car last night has died.

[Sasha222]

Originally Posted by danielf

Link?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source...sLV6Fw&cad=rja

Only link I could find

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http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source...KYPwww&cad=rja



A 26-year-old man shot in a car during riots in Croydon has died in hospital.

The Metropolitan Police's Operation Trident began an investigation after the man was found with gunshot wounds to the head in his car on Monday night.

[denphone]

There are reports of disturbances in West Bromwich with over 200 youths involved.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by denphone

There are reports of disturbances in West Bromwich with over 200 youths involved.

Getting reports from a member of the NTHWgaming Clan that its kicking off in Bexleyheath

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Getting reports from a member of the NTHWgaming Clan that its kicking off in Bexleyheath

The police must hold their nerve tonight and show that this will not be tolerated full stop and if that means we see more robust actions like firing plastic bullets and other means then so be it.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by denphone

The police must hold their nerve tonight and show that this will not be tolerated full stop and if that means we see more robust actions like firing plastic bullets and other means then so be it.

On that i concur wholeheartedly

[Dush]

If anyone dies due to the use of 'non lethal' bullets, this is going to get a whole lot worse, a whole lot quicker.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violen...sticbullet.htm