Students Rioting in London.

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

I can honestly say that I have never climbed a war memorial (then pretended I didn't know what it was), or thrown a bin at a passing car, or smashed a shop window, etc etc....

Neither have I. I've done other things however, but nothing quite like that. I think his defense was wrong to have tried to have blamed drugs, and trying to blame LSD was a rather pathetic attempt at getting off the hook.
I've seen a video somewhere on youtube of Mr. Gilmour reading poetry to the police, and I can say that he would've seriously annoyed me when I was at uni. He's not my sort of company, and if I had to be within close proximity to him for any length of time I think he'd really get on my nerves.
However, I still don't think he's any sort of threat to the public.
Community service was invented for the Charlie Gilmours of our society.

And our Charlie "went a bit mad" quite a few times, didn't he?

I've read a lot of posts by people focusing on his privileged background, taking glee in the fact that he's been jailed. That is something I disagree with, for he didn't choose his family and upbringing.
Also, for the most part the well-to-do in our society have just sat back and ignored the fees increase because it's not a problem for them.
I think we need more involvement from people from all (including privileged) backgrounds, as all to often the "I'm alright jack" brigade just let everyone else get on with it.

Listening to London's LBC this morning, Steve Allen said he'd have given Charlie Gilmour 10 years for his rampage. However, even the esteemed presenter didn't even seem to realise that the sentence wasn't because of the Cenotaph incident. Its a welcome reminder that just because someone is a gifted speaker and displays a colourful use of the English language, doen'st mean they actually have a clue. If everyone could just understand this, then most of our politicians would soon be in trouble.

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Originally Posted by martyh

yes we where ,and yes we did ,but then we grew up .

Do you think a 16 month stay in prison when you were 21 would've been a good thing? I'd even go so far as to say that if you came from a famous family and after you were caught, then that would've been embarrassment enough for you to have learnt your lesson. Never mind jail time.

The problem with the likes of Gilmore is they think they have the right to cause mayhem and disorder whenever something is proposed that they don't like and haven't got the brains to think it through ...like higher educated people are supposed to do .

They're students, not graduates. There is a big difference there.
I just find it rather bizaare that people focus on the juvenile actions of our younger generation, rather than the masses of violent football yobs, and drunken weekend hooligans.
I think you've got your priorites the wrong way around mate.

I think English people in general have their priorities in a twist.
For instance, just recently it was reported that English students studying in Scotland would have to pay £9,000 per year. English people were then calling for independance from Scotland, to boycott Scotland, and saying things like "Yes we Scots are gonna keep that English taxpayers money for ourselves", etc etc.
I felt quite sick to be quite honest, at just how stupid people are in this country.

Its obvious really, Scotland is a small country of circa 5 million, whereas England has over 50 million. Scotland has had to put money aside to pay for the tuition of it's own students, and this has involved cuts. If English students weren't blocked from free tuition in Scotland, its easily likely that most Scottish students simply wouldn't be able to find a place, as they'd be mostly taken by English students.

Now here is the big question, what's the wager that those in England calling shame on Scotland for not paying the tuition for English students, are the very same people who chastised the students in London when they dared to protest against the planned tuition fees increase?
No wonder this country is in such a mess.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Now here is the big question, what's the wager that those in England calling shame on Scotland for not paying the tuition for English students, are the very same people who chastised the students in London when they dared to protest against the planned tuition fees increase?
No wonder this country is in such a mess.

Most people I know weren't against the students protesting - they were very much against the entirely reckless and unacceptable way in which some of them, like Gilmour, chose to go about it.

Since you're interested in wagers, I'd wager that what Steve Allen had to say about this and indeed most other matters during his 'tabloid' style radio show isn't a true reflection of what the majority of his listeners really believe, let alone the majority of the population as a whole.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek

A large number of the people arrested at Fortnum and Mason have had their charges dropped.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14189892



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It's very consistent with sentences for other charges of violent disorder. Acting in a group for a common illegal goal will always attract a higher sentence than single incidents.

So, the gangs of drunken yobs we see rampaging through the city streets all get sixteen months? The recent EDL marches where the thugs have been arrested, what sentences did they get? Both of those examples are "acting in a group for a common illegal goal."

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'm not in the hang em high brigade ... But neither do I buy the claim of "moment of insanity" when someone has gone to a protest kitted out with a mask and gloves. He obviously intended to do things that might make his identity of interest to the boys in blue. And his "moment" was caught on several cameras, in several locations, over an extended period of time during the day.

He went intent on hell raising and took steps not to get caught. Personally I am very comfortable with the principle of him being made an example of.

Mask and gloves? It was a scarf and woolly gloves, it was November, it was cold. I am pretty sure that almost everyone went out that day with a scarf and gloves; hardly damning, is it. Reading poetry, is not exactly what many people would call "intent on hell raising."

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Mask and gloves? It was a scarf and woolly gloves, it was November, it was cold. I am pretty sure that almost everyone went out that day with a scarf and gloves; hardly damning, is it. Reading poetry, is not exactly what many people would call "intent on hell raising."

I take it you didn't see the pictures of him tossing a rock up and down whilst wearing latex gloves or apparently trying to set fire to a pile of newspapers in the doorway of the Supreme Court then? No doubt he'd lost his little woolly gloves and the rock and the fire were simply intended to keep him warm...

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So, the gangs of drunken yobs we see rampaging through the city streets all get sixteen months? The recent EDL marches where the thugs have been arrested, what sentences did they get? Both of those examples are "acting in a group for a common illegal goal.

If they end up charged with violent disorder I would imagine they would get very similar sentences.
Gilmour was involved in trouble at different points over several hours, it wasn't the 'moment of madness' that defence lawyers trot out about Saturday night hooligans.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Mask and gloves? It was a scarf and woolly gloves, it was November, it was cold. I am pretty sure that almost everyone went out that day with a scarf and gloves; hardly damning, is it. Reading poetry, is not exactly what many people would call "intent on hell raising."

Luckily enough one member of the forum has already posted a pic of young Chazza taken during the protests.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1453.html

Funny looking wooly gloves those...

I dunno, maybe he had a full first aid kit in his big, black student gwant coat and they just happened to slip onto his hands.

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For the avoidance of doubt.

Wooly gloves

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NOT wooly gloves.

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[Osem]

Originally Posted by Derek

Funny looking wooly gloves those...

I dunno, maybe he had a full first aid kit in his big, black student gwant coat and they just happened to slip onto his hands.

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For the avoidance of doubt.

Wooly gloves

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NOT wooly gloves.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I take it you didn't see the pictures of him tossing a rock up and down whilst wearing latex gloves or apparently trying to set fire to a pile of newspapers in the doorway of the Supreme Court then? No doubt he'd lost his little woolly gloves and the rock and the fire were simply intended to keep him warm...

quite obviously the rock was to start fire ,everyone knows that if you throw a rock through a window it will create fire to warm you on a cold november day

[Sparkle]

Charlie Gilmour raising hell on the streets of London...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFz33oWVTDE
(note the gloves)

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Charlie Gilmour raising hell on the streets of London...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFz33oWVTDE
(note the gloves)

the look on those coppers faces says it all

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by martyh

love the emoticon
Though the copper had to make do with grabbing his stick, I'm sure he'd have done more had the camera not been there !

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Originally Posted by Derek

If they end up charged with violent disorder I would imagine they would get very similar sentences.
Gilmour was involved in trouble at different points over several hours, it wasn't the 'moment of madness' that defence lawyers trot out about Saturday night hooligans.

Derek, I spent 5 years living in Paisley during my uni spell. You can't tell me that's hooliganism by local standards there.
I seem to remember its not even considered violence unless someone gets a Glasgae kiss or a bottle in the face. You can fool these southern folks, but you canny fool me

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

quite obviously the rock was to start fire ,everyone knows that if you throw a rock through a window it will create fire to warm you on a cold november day

Actually, I think his plan might have been to light the fire simply to heat up the rock to carry around as a handwarmer for a long afternoon protesting....

Just waiting for Flyboy to show up claiming that he wasn't trying to light a fire, he was just doing his civic duty by arranging some litter in a nice little pile....

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek

If they end up charged with violent disorder I would imagine they would get very similar sentences.
Gilmour was involved in trouble at different points over several hours, it wasn't the 'moment of madness' that defence lawyers trot out about Saturday night hooligans.



Luckily enough one member of the forum has already posted a pic of young Chazza taken during the protests.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1453.html

Funny looking wooly gloves those...

I dunno, maybe he had a full first aid kit in his big, black student gwant coat and they just happened to slip onto his hands.

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For the avoidance of doubt.

Wooly gloves



NOT wooly gloves.

Didn't spot those.

[Russ]

What a surprise...

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

Just waiting for Flyboy to show up claiming that he wasn't trying to light a fire, he was just doing his civic duty by arranging some litter in a nice little pile....

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Didn't spot those.

Clearly. Good job the authorities did eh?

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Mask and gloves? It was a scarf and woolly gloves, it was November, it was cold. I am pretty sure that almost everyone went out that day with a scarf and gloves; hardly damning, is it. Reading poetry, is not exactly what many people would call "intent on hell raising."

As a keen supporter of the police, presumably you'll be wanting to correct your earlier views, modify your rather selective judgement of Gilmour's behaviour on the day accordingly and praise the police for their efforts in securing his prosecution?