divided our society ?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Russ

Yes, because anyone can train to be a doctor, right?

Given the chance there will be a good few who could be.

Well we will have to do something when they all leave in one go. Lets start now.

Let me just make a point here. There will always be a need for some immigration. What i don't like is the way we are not dealing with illegal immigration that very quickly turns into legal immigration after the lawyers have had a field day. We do not have enough jobs to provide every Tom Dick and Harry with a job because they think they can enter this country illegally .

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When you come to mention hospitals, most of the staff at hospitals, are normally agency staff, whcih work for peanuts and yet the agency get a fortune, this should be stopped.

I believe all governments that have been in power must take all the blame, each time they are in they say the same, but nothing is done, and this will go on for years.

Immigration will grow and grow, its no good putting a limit on it, like Cameron has said, how many will come through the back door, I would like to see all immigrants that come through into this country, be taught the fact that they are residents of this country and therefore MUST learn English,.

Arthur, do you make this stuff up?

The NHS employed 1.4 million people last year, with a salary bill of £27.9 billion, of which agency staff cost £1.2 billion (approx 4% of the total cost) - agency nurses make more money than permanent nurses, not less (that is one of the reasons they do it!), but let us say for argument's sake that they earn the same, and if we say the evil agencies have a 100% mark up, that means that 2% of the NHS staff are temps/agency staff - must be a new definition of "most of the staff" I, or any other normal person, hadn't come across before.

Just in case you didn't get it, 1 in 50 (at the most ) of NHS staff are agency - kindly stop posting bolleaux.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Too me immagration should have been stopped years ago, There are so many in this country l am surprise our island hasn't sank due to weight.

My wife is petrified to go to Hounlsow, where we live, as there are so many immagrants there, they stand around in gangs, and make you feel unwelcome.

If immagrants come to this country, firstly they should have a job and pay taxes, but most of them come here as it is FREE, and our taxes support them and if we complain, we are the ones that get a rollocking.

I have no objections to anyone who comes to this great country, But they have got to have a job.

I take by immigrants you mean coloured people and your wife is scared of coloured people standing around ,unless of course your wife knows for definate that the coloured people did indeed immigrate to this country and weren't born here

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Originally Posted by Product 13

Cameron is a Neanderthal, a knuckle dragging racist.

care to elaborate ?

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Unaware of what much cheaper labour and imports from the Far East did anyway.

Many of the cotton mills were being knocked down and the equipment sold to India before I reached my teens, surprisingly this did not have much effect on the local labour market as by then most of the mill workers were getting close to retirement, their children having chosen less boring careers.
We also had many engineering companies so there was never any shortage of work.
When I was young I used to marvel at the Pickford's or Wynn's low loaders, two tractor units at the front and one at the rear, travelling at walking pace as they made their way to Liverpool Docks, having to avoid all the low, and not so low bridges, on the way and always with a Police escort. Strapped onto the low loader would be a massive packing case with an exotic destination stencilled on the side, within the packing case was a giant Ferranti electrical transformer destined for some emerging country, some of these transformers weighed over 100 tons.
More on Ferranti LINK

The original Ferranti premises at Hollinwood, Oldham, are now used to produce the Daily Mirror.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

When l go with my wife to Hounslow, l always stand to her side, as there is quite a lot of pickpockets gangs around, and even the shops tell you they are in the area.

There are gangs that stand aroud eyeing people up, and it gets very scary even for me, and l can look after myself.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How mass migration has divided our society: David Cameron savages Labour's open-door policy

Welfare system has turned neighbourhoods into 'ghettos'
High immigration has created 'discomfort and disjointedness'
Labour to blame for growth of extremist parties like BNP


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1JTXBpi6V

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...nefits_Culture


any thoughts ????

The welfare system has stopped people been homeless, it itself hasnt created ghettos.

What has created ghettos is certian parts of the country been left to rot in terms of economic investment and work prospects. As well as a policy that decides some people arent worth helping.

To me also an area suffering with over population will also become a ghetto, as immigrants tend to flock to the same areas , so many parts of the country dont feel the affect whilst certian cities do feel it as they take the brunt of the immigration. Its localised.

The BNP has strong support in my city yet my city has very high ethnic minority population. Same with birmingham.

[the_neurotic_cat]

I think concern over sustained mass immigration is legitimate but ...

How on earth does welfare create a ghetto ? ... Looking at the USA, I'd say the opposite is true, that lack of welfare creates ghettos.

[Ignitionnet]

A welfare system that doesn't promote a return to work or incentivise work creates ghettos. I think that's the point being made. It's supposed to be a safety net not a way of life.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...-ghettos.thtml

[the_neurotic_cat]

Ah yes, the myth of the 'welfare bum'.

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat

Ah yes, the myth of the 'welfare bum'.

I think a researched and sourced article requires more than an eight-word rebuttal.

[Ignitionnet]

It may be overstated in its scope by some of the press but it's most certainly not a myth.

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat

Ah yes, the myth of the 'welfare bum'.

Do you refute the existence of people who's sole ambition in life is to get a better benefit ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When l go with my wife to Hounslow, l always stand to her side, as there is quite a lot of pickpockets gangs around, and even the shops tell you they are in the area.

There are gangs that stand aroud eyeing people up, and it gets very scary even for me, and l can look after myself.

How do you know these gangmembers are immigrants?

Do you ask to see their passports? If not how do you know for sure?

Or do they just.....look like immigrants?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat

Ah yes, the myth of the 'welfare bum'.

No myth about it, I know people who have built up a very good knowledge of how to work the system so they never have to work. They are just nothing more than a parasite on those of us who work and pay our way.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

A welfare system that doesn't promote a return to work or incentivise work creates ghettos. I think that's the point being made. It's supposed to be a safety net not a way of life.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...-ghettos.thtml

so ignition you think someone living on welfare creates more of a ghetto than someone on the streets?