divided our society ?

papa smurf · 14-04-2011, 06:13

How mass migration has divided our society: David Cameron savages Labour's open-door policy

Welfare system has turned neighbourhoods into 'ghettos'
High immigration has created 'discomfort and disjointedness'
Labour to blame for growth of extremist parties like BNP

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1JTXBpi6V

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...nefits_Culture

any thoughts ????

Welshchris · 14-04-2011, 06:48

i do agree in some ways it has, i know people in some areas especially London and Bristol who are afraid to go out at nights because of immigrant gangs.

One of my mates in London lives down the road from a high immigrant area and the police and RSPCA got involved after they were caught killing and then roasting cats on a BBQ. Also i know of a guy in Bristol who was stabbed by a muslim after the muslim moved into share a flat with him and 2 girls and the reason is because he is gay, the guy stabbed him and said he doesnt deserve life.

My view on immigration is simple, the law should be changed that immigrants can only claim welfare for a certain ammount of time when entering the country at which time thats then stopped and they either have to find a job or leave the country. We see so many British nationals suffering living below the breadline, homelessness etc and then people who enter the country have money thrown at them left right and center i think its totally wrong. I see nothing wrong with helping who we can but not at the cost of letting our own people suffer and go without.

14-04-2011, 08:00

I don't think immigrants should get any welfare at all on entry and no one should be allowed in legally unless they either have a job to go too or the financial means to tide them over till they do. Mass immigration has done a great deal of damage in this country no doubt about it no matter how tolerent a society is it still needs time to adjust to new cultures and races and the sheer size of immigration has meant that couldn't happen.

It's so easy to bandy the words "racist" or "xenophobe" around when talking about immigration and they are effective ways to stifle the debate but this is a debate we need to have. Our national population is getting too high and the public services and infrastructure needed are struggling to cope like it or not we have to close the door for a while and empty out some of those we previously allowed in.

Sparkle · 14-04-2011, 08:31

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any thoughts ????

A step in the right direction, but too little, too late.

Taf · 14-04-2011, 08:52

I just wonder why it takes politicians so long to notice and comment on the bleedin' obvious.

And even longer to actually do anything worthwhile about it all.

Gary L · 14-04-2011, 08:58

Cameron's going to grow old really fast. he went in looking young and fresh and will go out looking old and exhausted.

The biggest reason for immigration is free money, free house, free car, free everything.
will it get better. I doubt it.

Sirius · 14-04-2011, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

A step in the right direction, but too little, too late.

I feel we should stop it full stop. Any one found illegally entering on trucks at ports from France should be returned to France and dumped at the local benefits office there. Anyone entering illegally on a plane should be returned to the last airport before the landed. Enough is enough. We need jobs for us not every tom dick and harry that enters this country illegally.

I know that i am targeting illegal immigrants here but as soon as they get here they very soon turn into legal immigrants because they tend to use the human rights act to ensure they stay here even when they have no real right.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Cameron's going to grow old really fast. he went in looking young and fresh and will go out looking old and exhausted.

The biggest reason for immigration is free money, free house, free car, free everything.
will it get better. I doubt it.

Add access to human rights act to that as well

14-04-2011, 19:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Welfare system has turned neighbourhoods into 'ghettos'
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any thoughts ????

I remember a few years ago I went up to Oldham to do an exhibition with work.

They booked us a room in a hotel.

Driving to that hotel was an experience. It was just like driving through a ghetto, or what i have been led to beleive what one would look like. We did not dare stop and the doors were locked. There were gangs openly on every street corner looking menacingly at us in my bosses Audi maybe they were 'well jelous' of the car who knows?

It was certainly intimidating. All I know is that you should not feel like that in your own country, let alone any other.

The hotel itself was fine, good food and drink, the bedroom window was a bit drafty though.

Arthurgray50@blu · 14-04-2011, 21:20

Too me immagration should have been stopped years ago, There are so many in this country l am surprise our island hasn't sank due to weight.

My wife is petrified to go to Hounlsow, where we live, as there are so many immagrants there, they stand around in gangs, and make you feel unwelcome.

If immagrants come to this country, firstly they should have a job and pay taxes, but most of them come here as it is FREE, and our taxes support them and if we complain, we are the ones that get a rollocking.

I have no objections to anyone who comes to this great country, But they have got to have a job.

**Hugh** · 14-04-2011, 21:22

Immigrants, Arthur, not immagrants.

Anyone would think that English is not your mother tongue......

budwieser · 14-04-2011, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Too me immagration should have been stopped years ago, There are so many in this country l am surprise our island hasn't sank due to weight.

My wife is petrified to go to Hounlsow, where we live, as there are so many immagrants there, they stand around in gangs, and make you feel unwelcome.

If immagrants come to this country, firstly they should have a job and pay taxes, but most of them come here as it is FREE, and our taxes support them and if we complain, we are the ones that get a rollocking.

I have no objections to anyone who comes to this great country, But they have got to have a job.

I`d like to see that Immigrants into this country could actually bring something useful such as a skill or at least speak English.

danielf · 14-04-2011, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

they <snip> make you feel unwelcome.

They sound well-integrated to me...

tweetiepooh · 14-04-2011, 23:02

But anyone who suggest limiting immigration is obviously xenophobic.

We really should limit immigration to those who "qualify" same as Australia.

Then if they commit crime they get deported, why should we pay to keep them housed and fed in prison.

(Some allowances maybe required. Also refugees.)

Jimmy-J · 14-04-2011, 23:05

Cameron is a Neanderthal, a knuckle dragging racist.

Gary L · 14-04-2011, 23:09

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But anyone who suggest limiting immigration is obviously xenophobic.

Not really. all immigrants just happen to be foreigners anyway. and ones that are costing this country millions. so the fear is of the cost.

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Then if they commit crime they get deported, why should we pay to keep them housed and fed in prison.

By that time they might have a family, and we'll let them stay because we're nice like that.

it's our niceness that attracts a lot of them. they're not so bothered about our softness.