NASUWT teaching union attacks school phone powers

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No I didn't. I thought you was talking about porn.

anyway 'anti-cyber bullying' 'anti-terrorist' all phrases to give an excuse to control people.

I apologise
However - you're not far wrong off the mark regarding to my youngest

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Caff

I apologise
However - you're not far wrong off the mark regarding to my youngest

No need to apologise. I'm thick skinned

Only a complete ban of students from having mobiles in school will work.They are not necessary or required for the process of learning and should be left at home.

Therefore if this is going to be the required process by the government then I as a head would just insist that any child found with a mobile in school will have it confiscated,be punished and if they persist in bringing the mobile to school then they would face exclusion.I would also search pupils at the gates before school begins.A bit like the customs where every 4th or 5th pupil would be stopped.

I would also ask the government to pay and install any means to make mobiles unusable within the classrooms.That way we can ensure that public exams are not tainted by the possible use of mobiles.Too expensive for the government though as well as probably needing some legal rethinking.

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Only a complete ban of students from having mobiles in school will work.They are not necessary or required for the process of learning and should be left at home.

Therefore if this is going to be the required process by the government then I as a head would just insist that any child found with a mobile in school will have it confiscated,be punished and if they persist in bringing to mobile to school then they would face exclusion.I would also search pupils at the gates before school begins.A bit like the customs where every 4th or 5th pupil would be stopped.

I would also ask the government to pay and install any means to make mobiles unusable within the classrooms.That way we can ensure that public exams are not tainted by the possible use of mobiles.Too expensive for the government though as well as probably needing some legal rethinking.

Calm down.
Many parents insist on their wee ones carrying a mobile for safety/peace of mind. I'm talking way back to primary ones.
Exams - leave your bag/blazer on the peg outside? Or plain make sure it's switched of during teaching time?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Only a complete ban of students from having mobiles in school will work.They are not necessary or required for the process of learning and should be left at home.

Give them lockers like our American friends have. if the phone is found on them and not in the locker then use the normal punishment. you can't tell them to leave them at home. phones are part of everyones lives now.
even childrens.

the cost is minimal. if they can't take bullying seriously enough to justify the cost. then shut up I say.

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Give them lockers like our American friends have. if the phone is found on them and not in the locker then use the normal punishment. you can't tell them to leave them at home. phones are part of everyones lives now.
even childrens.

the cost is minimal. if they can't take bullying seriously enough to justify the cost. then shut up I say.

And how would you regulate finding out if they did not put their phone in their locker but was in pockets with all sorts of paraphenalia?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Caff

And how would you regulate finding out if they did not put their phone in their locker but was in pockets with all sorts of paraphenalia? The teaching day is too short too accommodate a complete pat-down of every pupil.

Same as you would for if they had drugs on their person. you don't know, but if you do find out then you punish them for breaking the rules. then if it turns out that you have grounds for suspicion that the phone was used for cyber bullying purposes. then call the police while the alleged sits in the office waiting.

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Same as you would for if they had drugs on their person. you don't know, but if you do find out then you punish them for breaking the rules. then if it turns out that you have grounds for suspicion that the phone was used for cyber bullying purposes. then call the police while the alleged sits in the office waiting.

I wouldn't punish school children like that.
I'd call in someone with more expertise than I have and sit quietly and responsively with them until expert help arrived. Crickey - what part of the world did you grown up in?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Caff

I wouldn't punish school children like that.
I'd call in someone with more expertise than I have and sit quietly and responsively with them until expert help arrived. Crickey - what part of the world did you grown up in?

You're going to have to apologise again

Punish them like what?
I said if they have a phone on them and not in the locker, then punish them as you would for breaking any school rules.
(do they still do detention?)

Then I said if they think that the phone may have been used for cyber bullying purposes, then sit them in an office and get the police to take over.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Give them lockers like our American friends have. if the phone is found on them and not in the locker then use the normal punishment. you can't tell them to leave them at home. phones are part of everyones lives now.
even childrens.

the cost is minimal. if they can't take bullying seriously enough to justify the cost. then shut up I say.

Rubbish! Children do not NEED a phone in school. What they need are fewer distractions and a better attitude.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Rubbish! Children do not NEED a phone in school. What they need are fewer distractions and a better attitude.

No they don't need it in school. before and after school is when they need it.

Originally Posted by Caff

Calm down.
Many parents insist on their wee ones carrying a mobile for safety/peace of mind. I'm talking way back to primary ones.
Exams - leave your bag/blazer on the peg outside? Or plain make sure it's switched of during teaching time?

Sorry but children do not need a phone in school..and when did we allow parents to start dictating about such issues in schools.
We are not there for the convenience of parents,we are not paid child minders, we are educators and it's about time we are allowed to chuffing well be able to do so without the entire universe hanging over our shoulders going,you can't do that and you must do this and my Jenny needs that...Parents should stay at the school gates UNLESS invited in.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Sorry but children do not need a phone in school..

Why don't you set an example and leave your phone at home when you go to school. instead of leaving it in your bag or office?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why don't you set an example and leave your phone at home when you go to school. instead of leaving it in your bag or office?

Tsk,tsk..just what the children would say.So typically teenager in attitude.

Bit along the lines of demanding that teachers should wear school uniform because the students have to..

No I say again mobiles are not needed by students in school and it's my last word.

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Gary L

You're going to have to apologise again

Punish them like what?
I said if they have a phone on them and not in the locker, then punish them as you would for breaking any school rules.
(do they still do detention?)

Then I said if they think that the phone may have been used for cyber bullying purposes, then sit them in an office and get the police to take over.

OK - but give me a reason
There are policies in force in every school relating to behaviour (and one for staff behaviour too). Guidelines are set down by the local authority and schools generate their own policies, all in in line with government demands.
What if there are no lockers???