Andy Gray sacked by Sky

Originally Posted by Angua

A couple of co-workers cynically suspect Sky Sport wanted rid of him & this was the perfect excuse.

What I have read is that they were not liked by the staff, would explain how the stuff leaked.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Damien

What I have read is that they were not liked by the staff, would explain how the stuff leaked.

I missed the bit "my" when referring to co-workers

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Damien

You know full well I said towards co-workers, in the workplace.

I know you said co-workers - do you not know anyone who has got together through work?

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Angua

A couple of co-workers cynically suspect Sky Sport wanted rid of him & this was the perfect excuse.

Well, he is getting a bit past his best.

They use a different excuse for getting rid of female newsreaders/presenters at the BBC when it happens to them....

But, then again, wasn't he suing the NotW over phone tapping or something?

Originally Posted by Tod

I know you said co-workers - do you not know anyone who has got together through work?

This is not about asking someone out who happens to be a co-worker, this is about sexual behaviour towards a co-worker in the office. Your point about dating sites is utterly irrelevant as well.

[Chrysalis]

What he did in the wolves video was fine, when he did in the video with the female news reporter was out of line.

Someone clearly from inside sky wanted him out, all the leaked videos show that, however regardless what he did was out of line to the female reporter.

A guy in his 50s acting like a teenager.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

PC gone made
They had a discussion on London LBC the other day, the discussion was entitled "Have you got an Andy Gray in your office?" The idea was to hear about sexism in the office.

One caller phoned up and said, "Well, if you mean do I have a professional footballer, Legend, millionaire, and seasoned charity worker, then no I don't have one of those in my office."

"PC gone mad" ...not necessarily it all depends on the meaning behind the words ,were they meant as a "can you tuck it down my trousers because your a woman and that's all your good for" sort of thing or was it part of a good natured bit of banter between gray and the woman that has been taken out of context .This is the problem with having all encompassing rules to govern things of this nature getting the context right is very hard ,past history has to be looked at and most importantly only the person who the comments were directed at should be allowed to complain

[Sparkle]

If I were a women and he'd said that to me, I'd simply replied with "Trouble finding it again?"

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How would CF'ers feel if he had made those comments ("Can you tuck this down here for me?") to your sister/wife/daughter?

Would it still be "banter" then?

I agree wholeheartedly Hugh, its all very well posters making comments like "my daughters got a sense of humour" or "I'd have smacked him one", its easy to see this as just one distasteful comment instead of what appears to be a culture of crude boorish behavior by Keys and Gray.
If on the other hand some folks wouldn't have a problem with their daughter, sister or wife being subjected to this type of behaviour in the modern workplace then to me that beggars belief, there is a world of difference between a bit of harmless banter and what these two bullies have been doing.
Then again I suppose in some circles the likes of Jim Davidson and Bernard Mannings "humour" is considered hilarious.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is not about asking someone out who happens to be a co-worker, this is about sexual behaviour towards a co-worker in the office. Your point about dating sites is utterly irrelevant as well.

So people get asked out at work without anyone testing the water or acting in a flirtatious manner at all?

It is completely relevant. People are arguing that there should be no sexual behaviour at work at all - so asking someone out is sexual behaviour - flirting is sexual behaviour - and this is human nature - otherwise how do people get together?

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

there is a world of difference between a bit of harmless banter and what these two bullies have been doing.

We have heard two quotes from these guys - and they are now bullies?

Originally Posted by Tod

So people get asked out at work without anyone testing the water or acting in a flirtatious manner at all?

It is completely relevant. People are arguing that there should be no sexual behaviour at work at all - so asking someone out is sexual behaviour - flirting is sexual behaviour - and this is human nature - otherwise how do people get together?:

There is asking people out, then there is sexual harassment or making people feel uncomfortable. I do not believe that you are really unclear into the differences, that you cannot distinguish between asking someone/testing the water and sexual gestures directed at members of the oppersite sex while your in the workplace.

Believe it or not people manage to get together without making crude gestures at their colleagues.

Originally Posted by Tod

So people get asked out at work without anyone testing the water or acting in a flirtatious manner at all?

It is completely relevant. People are arguing that there should be no sexual behaviour at work at all - so asking someone out is sexual behaviour - flirting is sexual behaviour - and this is human nature - otherwise how do people get together?

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We have heard two quotes from these guys - and they are now bullies?

so when you ask someone out you use the sexual gestures and crude comments routine ...and that works for you does it no-one has said there should be no "sexual behaviour"at work they have said there should be no sexual gestures and crude comments ,a totaly different thing

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Damien

There is asking people out, then there is sexual harassment or making people feel uncomfortable. I do not believe that you are really unclear into the differences, that you cannot distinguish between asking someone/testing the water and sexual gestures directed at members of the oppersite sex while your in the workplace.

Believe it or not people manage to get together without making crude gestures at their colleagues.

Did this woman feel uncomfortable then? I must have missed the interview with her condemning this guy? Watching the film of the incident - she was laughing!

Are innuendos a sackable offence now then? Have people really had a humour bypass? It's not like the guy pulled down his trousers and flashed it at her is it? How come there is not more of a recording...for all you know she said she would put it there before he said it?

Originally Posted by martyh

so when you ask someone out you use the sexual gestures and crude comments routine ...and that works for you does it no-one has said there should be no "sexual behaviour"at work they have said there should be no sexual gestures and crude comments ,a totaly different thing

I was responding to: "You can't go around making sexual remarks/gestures directed towards co-workers."

And I have not had to use any routine at work thank you very much

Originally Posted by Tod

Did this woman feel uncomfortable then? I must have missed the interview with her condemning this guy? Watching the film of the incident - she was laughing!

No she wasn't. It doesn't show her face until it cuts to her checking her own mic looking at some production staff.

Are innuendos a sackable offence now then? Have people really had a humour bypass? It's not like the guy pulled down his trousers and flashed it at her is it? How come there is not more of a recording...for all you know she said she would put it there before he said it?

So your saying that it's simply harmless innuendo until you start exposing yourself to people? That's where the 'line' is drawn? Anything else is a humor bypass? I don't know know where there is more of a recording but it clearly shows no retort.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Damien

No she wasn't. It doesn't show her face until it cuts to her checking her own mic looking at some production staff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuPMFvuYcvk

6 second point

Originally Posted by Damien

So your saying that it's simply harmless innuendo until you start exposing yourself to people? That's where the 'line' is drawn? Anything else is a humor bypass? I don't know know where there is more of a recording but it clearly shows no retort.

That is my point "where is the line drawn"? It seems to me that the line is drawn before considering the fact we are sexual beings. I bet you have never worked in a sales office! You would be surprised what the women say to blokes in there!