Students Rioting in London. - Page 85

Sparkle · 15-01-2011, 16:33

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Originally Posted by martyh

It has nothing to do with immigration ,he wasn't an immigrant as such he was one of those students you love so much studying engineering i believe and got his uk passport by virtue of his marriage when he was a bouncer in a club and before he started preaching ,so that had no bearing on his citizenship

lol, a UK immigrant and this has nothing to do with immigration...
Marty mate, what have you been smoking ?

Can you spare some?

Of course he's an immigrant, he's from Egypt and now he's in the UK. Whether he came over on a student visa, or sailed up the Clyde on a banana boat if of no relevance whatsoever.
Shall I give up?

**Hugh** · 15-01-2011, 16:47

Please.....

btw, what is your obsession with banana boats?

15-01-2011, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

lol, a UK immigrant and this has nothing to do with immigration...
Marty mate, what have you been smoking ?

Can you spare some?

Of course he's an immigrant, he's from Egypt and now he's in the UK. Whether he came over on a student visa, or sailed up the Clyde on a banana boat if of no relevance whatsoever.
Shall I give up?

again you are showing little grasp of the subject ,you said

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The fact that such a vile individual can be granted UK citizenship, only sanctifies the notion that the whole immigration system here is shambolic and in need of rethinking.

When he entered on a student visa in 1979 the immigration system you are blaming for letting him in didn't exist in the form we know it today and back then he wasn't the vile individual he is now or at least didn't exhibit any extremism then

so please continue

my whole point to you is try doing a bit of research before spouting off about deporting people on banana boats ,i agree that man is a thoroughly unpleasent individual but as far as i am concerend he has been dealt with as i would expect any British citizen to have been dealt with

TheNorm · 15-01-2011, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

...btw, why "banana boats"?

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

...sailed up the Clyde on a banana boat ...

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Originally Posted by Hugh

.....btw, what is your obsession with banana boats?

I always thought they were quite fun (from http://www.boatsdepot.org/boats/types/banana.asp).

TheNorm · 15-01-2011, 16:54

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Originally Posted by martyh

...i agree that man is a thoroughly unpleasent individual but as far as i am concerend he has been dealt with as i would expect any British citizen to have been dealt with

Well said!

You know, it occurs to me that if we jailed everyone who spouts vile bigoted drivel there would be one less poster on this forum.

Sparkle · 15-01-2011, 16:59

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Originally Posted by martyh

again you are showing little grasp of the my whole point to you is try doing a bit of research before spouting off about deporting people on banana boats ,i agree that man is a thoroughly unpleasent individual but as far as i am concerend he has been dealt with as i would expect any British citizen to have been dealt with

You've misunderstood, I know the situation. I've never implied it was known before he was granted citizenship the vile nature of his character.
Can you not see that the means to revoke one's citizenship as being part of the immigration system ? Who made it set in stone that once a person is granted citizenship that there is no risk of it being revoked?
In my view, there ought to be conditions attached to the granting of citizenship. To give an example, lets say you are granted a driving license.
If you abuse your privilege, then the license is revoked. Simples.
Why should it be different for immigrants? The whole system is in need of a serious rethink.

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

You know, it occurs to me that if we jailed everyone who spouts vile bigoted drivel there would be one less poster on this forum.

*yawns*
Oh, well thats a cheap shot well below the belt and my comments are hardly comparable to the likes of the hook cleric preachings, please don't make me take the gloves off mate.

TheNorm · 15-01-2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

...my comments are hardly comparable to the liles of the hook cleric ....

If you say so.

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..., please don't make me take the gloves off mate.

Why, haven't you finished the washing up?

15-01-2011, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

You've misunderstood, I know the situation. I've never implied it was known before he was granted citizenship the vile nature of his character.
Can you not see that the means to revoke one's citizenship as being part of the immigration system ? Who made it set in stone that once a person is granted citizenship that there is no risk of it being revoked?
In my view, there ought to be conditions attached to the granting of citizenship. To give an example, lets say you are granted a driving license.
If you abuse your privilege, then the license is revoked. Simples.
Why should it be different for immigrants? The whole system is in need of a serious rethink.

so if we did manage to revoke his citizenship where would he go ? where would we send him on this banana boat you speak of .
What you fail to realise is that if we as a country accept someone into this country and give them citizenship we also accept the responsibility for them ,yes there are cases of deportation that have been successful but that is because they have somewhere to go

Sparkle · 15-01-2011, 17:15

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Why, haven't you finished the washing up?

In this thread ? Not in the very slightest. I'll give you time to reflect over your comments and have a serious rethink. If the public could see the comments you've made in defense of the hook cleric, you would risk being lynched at dawn, freedom of speech or not. Your stance really speaks for itself, without help from me or anyone else.

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Originally Posted by martyh

so if we did manage to revoke his citizenship where would he go ? where would we send him on this banana boat you speak of .

Deport him to Egypt, job done.

15-01-2011, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

In this thread ? Not in the very slightest. I'll give you time to reflect over your comments and have a serious rethink. If the public could see the comments you've made in defense of the hook cleric, you would risk being lynched at dawn, freedom of speech or not. Your stance really speaks for itself, without help from me or anyone else.

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Deport him to Egypt, job done.

he's not a citizen of Egypt

Sparkle · 15-01-2011, 17:24

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Originally Posted by martyh

he's not a citizen of Egypt

Clearly the Egyptians have more sense than we do.

What is your suggestion marty ?

TheNorm · 15-01-2011, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

.... If the public could see the comments you've made ...

They can - this is a public forum.

**Hugh** · 15-01-2011, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

In this thread ? Not in the very slightest. I'll give you time to reflect over your comments and have a serious rethink. If the public could see the comments you've made in defense of the hook cleric, you would risk being lynched at dawn, freedom of speech or not. Your stance really speaks for itself, without help from me or anyone else.

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Deport him to Egypt, job done.

You really do suffer from chronic cranial rectal inversion, don't you? Is it congenital or environmental?

He has never defended the "hook cleric", he has defended the system of laws and rights that the man was dealt with under - the fact that you only see your viewpoint, and cannot consider that there can be any other, says so much about you.

Sparkle · 15-01-2011, 17:31

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

They can - this is a public forum.

Yep, the cable forum is the UK public...please pass the crack pipe..you've had enough.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You really do suffer from chronic cranial rectal inversion, don't you? Is it congenital or environmental?

He has never defended the "hook cleric", he has defended the system of laws and rights that the man was dealt with under - the fact that you only see your viewpoint, and cannot consider that there can be any other, says so much about you.

If your cerebral cortex were up to the task at hand, you'd see that I'm criticising the system which he and you defends with such vigor.

15-01-2011, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

Clearly the Egyptians have more sense than we do.

What is your suggestion marty ?

lets see now my suggestion would be .....wait till he commits an offence or series of offences arrest him ,try him in court ,then if found guilty throw him in jail for about 7 years ....oh wait we did that silly me