Students Rioting in London.

Originally Posted by Masque

In Whitehall which I have stated a few times in this thread.

Sorry I've a whole site to monitor not just one thread..

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Masque

From your holier than thou attitude that is where from, the rioters are **** and deserve to be treated as such and as I said above I would fully condone the use of Baton Rounds and Water Cannon on the streets if it stops **** like this from rioting and destroying property.

Lets hope that when the next demonstration takes place that firstly they are not allowed in Whitehall and secondly the Police are allowed to go in hard using as much force as required to subdue the troublemakers.

As for the van it is a none issue as all you are doing is trying to make people take their eye of the ball.

Just a quick question though, do you want demonstrations banned just in Whitehall, or everywhere in the country?*






*Don't get yer knickers in a knot, I'm teasing.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Just a quick question though, do you want demonstrations banned just in Whitehall, or everywhere in the country?*

Just a question off the wall...

Are you in any way connected to these protests?

just a hunch

Personally I don't want demonstrations banned, I just want to see the demonstrations allowed to occur without being hijacked by a 'rent a mob' intent on confrontation & violence.

If I was a student trying to make my voice heard regarding tuition fees, I would be appalled if the demonstration I attended, in good faith, was turned into a riot by people with a different agenda.

The diatribes regarding the Police in this thread indicate, in my opinion, just how far the issue of tuition fees was subjugated by a minority who had no interest, whatsoever, in that issue, but just saw another opportunity for civil unrest....

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Sorry I've a whole site to monitor not just one thread..

The answer was for others not just you in particular, more to make other people with an agenda aware.

Originally Posted by gazfan

Personally I don't want demonstrations banned, I just want to see the demonstrations allowed to occur without being hijacked by a 'rent a mob' intent on confrontation & violence.

If I was a student trying to make my voice heard regarding tuition fees, I would be appalled if the demonstration I attended, in good faith, was turned into a riot by people with a different agenda.

The diatribes regarding the Police in this thread indicate, in my opinion, just how far the issue of tuition fees was subjugated by a minority who had no interest, whatsoever, in that issue, but just saw another opportunity for civil unrest....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by gazfan

Personally I don't want demonstrations banned, I just want to see the demonstrations allowed to occur without being hijacked by a 'rent a mob' intent on confrontation & violence.

If I was a student trying to make my voice heard regarding tuition fees, I would be appalled if the demonstration I attended, in good faith, was turned into a riot by people with a different agenda.

The diatribes regarding the Police in this thread indicate, in my opinion, just how far the issue of tuition fees was subjugated by a minority who had no interest, whatsoever, in that issue, but just saw another opportunity for civil unrest....

Well said

I do feel that students should not have to pay more for there tuition and that in this country we should be educating our young for free.

What i cannot stand is that a large amount of the students felt they had the right to riot on our street and attack the police and because of that they have lost any support thay would have had from me.

When you watch the large amount of news coverage there does seem to be a very large contigent of hooligans smashing up public property and attacking the police. People defend the students by saying it was a minority but hell look at the amount of hooligans you see attacking the police and is that in fact a small minority ???

gazfan, qft.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

There is no way on this Earth that that van was worth anything even close to thirty thousand pounds.

I rather suspect that vehicle was replaced something ago. Besides, what do you think the Metropolitan Police Service do with their old vans?

Excellent. So as well as everything else you are you are now an expert on the costs involved with converting specialist vehicles for use and putting modifications into them like rear cells, and secure internal storage.

If the Met are anything like other forces their big vans aren't replaced anything near as frequently as their pandas or traffic cars and whilst the TSG might have newer ones the old vans will sit in a pound for a while until they are needed for a large demonstration.

Oh and if it was planned to have students scrap it why was the kit inside not removed first?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by gazfan

Personally I don't want demonstrations banned, I just want to see the demonstrations allowed to occur without being hijacked by a 'rent a mob' intent on confrontation & violence.

If I was a student trying to make my voice heard regarding tuition fees, I would be appalled if the demonstration I attended, in good faith, was turned into a riot by people with a different agenda.

The diatribes regarding the Police in this thread indicate, in my opinion, just how far the issue of tuition fees was subjugated by a minority who had no interest, whatsoever, in that issue, but just saw another opportunity for civil unrest....

Well said.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Derek

Excellent. So as well as everything else you are you are now an expert on the costs involved with converting specialist vehicles for use and putting modifications into them like rear cells, and secure internal storage.

If the Met are anything like other forces their big vans aren't replaced anything near as frequently as their pandas or traffic cars and whilst the TSG might have newer ones the old vans will sit in a pound for a while until they are needed for a large demonstration.

Oh and if it was planned to have students scrap it why was the kit inside not removed first?

how do you explain the police aware sticker on the vehicle this has caused many people to come to the conclusion that this rusty old bus was just a rusty old bus dragged out of a scrap yard .

Do you mean the sort of "Police Aware" stickers that most police cars and vans carry around in case they have to put them on other cars that have been abandoned, and that the police have been informed/are aware of?

(btw, loved the emotive "rusty old bus" repetition - if you say it often enough, some people might believe it ).

btw, from the Epsom Guardian, 25th November

Police who had to abandon their vehicle after it was ransacked by student protestors yesterday were Sutton officers.

The Sutton Police van was set upon by masked yobs who smashed its windows, set off a smoke bomb inside, sprayed graffiti and then stood on its roof during a march by Whitehall yesterday.

The demonstrators broke inside the vehicle and looted police uniforms and equipment, including body armour.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

how do you explain the police aware sticker on the vehicle this has caused many people to come to the conclusion that this rusty old bus was just a rusty old bus dragged out of a scrap yard .

At a rough guess it could be:

• Placed there from a previous incident
• Taken from the glove box and placed there by a cop when it broke down
• Taken from the glove box and put on the van by a protestor for a laugh
• Put there by cops as part of a huge conspiracy designed make the students look bad although nothing would be written down or transmitted by radio in case the transcripts are released by a FOI request

Obviously the likelihood decreases as you go down the list.

If it was a knackered van do you think they would have repaired it just enough to be drivable just until it breaks down in the middle of the street?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean the sort of "Police Aware" stickers that most police cars and vans carry around in case they have to put them on other cars that have been abandoned, and that the police have been informed/are aware of?

(btw, loved the emotive "rusty old bus" repetition - if you say it often enough, some people might believe it ).

btw, from the Epsom Guardian, 25th November

i borrowed the idea from the hooligan hooligan hooligan **** **** **** brigade

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Derek

Taken from the glove box and put on the van by a protestor for a laugh

It is pretty obvious that the protesters when ransacking the vehicle will have come across the sticker and then placed it prominently on the vehicle or a laugh, but to the paranoid few amongst us that obvious reason will not fit in with their finely honed plans about a conspiracy theory to make the rioters/protesters look bad.

By the way if you fail to accept the obvious solution can you find a picture of said vehicle prior to the event with the sticker on it, you will fail dismally.

Have you ever seen one of these stickers on a vehicle as everyone I have ever seen is either on the drivers side door window or in the middle of the windscreen, no one is going to put it on the roof above the glass.

They will do their level best to try and persuade us that the vehicle is a plant and that the sticker was already there.

What they should is after every has finished their minces pies and the turkey is cooked is to fashion all the foil into a the shape of a policeman's helmet and wear it until the next demonstration.