Students Rioting in London.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I am not sure if there is a "win" - just less losing.....

Sometimes, in life, we don't all get what we want (or feel we deserve) - we get what we can afford.

As I said, I am in a quandary, as I don't think it is simple as either "side" make out - the present expansion is unaffordable (imho), but I think the raising of fees will discourage some students who before would have taken part in the widening participation of HE.

i feel sad for the younger generation and frustrated that i am powerless to help them ,this situation that we find ourselves in is not of their doing but they will have to suffer for the mistakes of their elders ,the very people who are supposed to protect and care for them - your right when you say
" in life, we don't all get what we want (or feel we deserve)"
we live in interesting times .

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by martyh

Whats appalling about that ? all i see is a heavily edited poor quality video of rioters in a kettle .What the students need to realise i sthat measures such as these would not be needed if they could be trusted to act like mature adults and not smash the place up

When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

Irony, thy name is FB.......

I see - you can interpret something from a shaky fuzzy cameraphone recording, but that option is not available to others.....

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Irony, thy name is FB.......

I see - you can interpret something from a shaky fuzzy cameraphone recording, but that option is not available to others.....

There was no riot, I don't think that the video needed to be any clearer.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

History will tell.


More "appalling" police behavior being reported in the news :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/de...olice-watchdog

Well. What an emotive 'collection of clips' of video.

Heavily edited and biassed. The only people i heard being aggressive and swearing in that were the students, sorry rioters.

I mean, come on! These people should be used to 'kettling' have the not been to Glasto ffs?

Why is it that some people cannot just accept the fact that some, probably most people went down there expecting trouble, it kicked off and they got what they deserved?

They will live, life goes on and they learn that politicians change thier minds. That's life.

Move on.

[Russ]

There was no riot....right. So all that violence came from ballet dancing?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Well. What an emotive 'collection of clips' of video.

Heavily edited and biassed. The only people i heard being aggressive and swearing in that were the students, sorry rioters.

I mean, come on! These people should be used to 'kettling' have the not been to Glasto ffs?

Why is it that some people cannot just accept the fact that some, probably most people went down there expecting trouble, it kicked off and they got what they deserved?

They will live, life goes on and they learn that politicians change thier minds. That's life.

Move on.

Originally Posted by Russ

There was no riot....right. So all that violence came from ballet dancing?

Again I ask, where was the riot in that video? If that is an example of the riots that went on in London, I can't see what all the fuss is all about.

[Russ]

Do you think that video is indicative of what happened that day? Hang on why am i asking that? Of course you do.

But reality check - no it isn't.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Again I ask, where was the riot in that video? If that is an example of the riots that went on in London, I can't see what all the fuss is all about.

Who were the people swearing?

The Police asking them to move back or the rioters replying with F words etc



Get a grip and step in to the real world my friend.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I can't see what all the fuss is all about.

So you haven't seen any of the other videos? The ones where fencing is pulled down, windows are smashed, fireworks, flares and petrol bombs thrown at police lines, fires set on parliament square.

You've seen none of them and decide to base your opinion of what happened on one heavily edited shaky-cam video from later on in the night.

I have to go to bed soon....

Originally Posted by Flyboy

When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

where the hell have you been the last few weeks ,when fire extinguishers were getting thrown,fences thrown,snooker balls,fireworks,flares were being thrown ,police hit with iron bars ,graffiti daubed all over the place ,national monuments defaced, windows smashed police vans turned over ,members of the royal family attacked ..have i missed anything ? bloody hell FB you realy know how to be selective in what you see .These are facts ,they cannot be denied ,they are on video for all of time ,go on utube and type "student riots" and see how many hits you get ,alternatively you could go and join the holocaust denial society

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

So students lifting steel fence panels to use as weapons along with anything else they can lay their hands and destroying public property or daubing paint on everything in sight does not constitute a riot, then please explain what the students were doing as that does not come under their right to protest under any law in any country on this planet.

Maybe you are using these.

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To see these.

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Assumption is the mother of all frakk-ups.....

"Biased history books" - those that don't agree with your viewpoint

That doesn't make any sense, you said before that the history books are written by the "winners". That implies the history books are written based on merit of victory, rather than right or wrong. That has nothing to do with my viewpoint, per se.

(and it's actually "capisce").

Yea I know da spellin Dr Pedantic, but I did check for an English equivalent and came across this:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Kapish
(they may have it wrong however)

I actually work in the Higher Education sector, have two offspring undertaking HE (one 1st year and one post-grad) and I think what the Government is doing is detrimental, but I also think that the ongoing expansion is unaffordable, so it is a bit of a quandary

But what I do hope is that the rioters don't win this one - there we do differ.

The rioters are a minority. You'd rather the politicians win so the minority of rioters "don't win" as you put it ?
Geez Hugh, talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

Very true. The naysayers should look to the Greeks to see what a real riot looks like.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Very true. The naysayers should look to the Greeks to see what a real riot looks like.

Are you for real.