Students Rioting in London.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

On a more humourous note:
Riot policeman trampled by own horse (even the animals are rebelling ! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqgm...eature=related

What an awful thing to say. Now you have lost any high ground you had in this thread

[Sparkle]

How come none of you are criticising what the police had to say about the protestors in the inspectorgadget blog? They talked/joked about blowing peoples heads off...
Suspiciously silent on that I've noticed.

And here, I mention "on a more humourous note" in reference to animals rebelling too (its a joke, get over it) and suddenly I'm an evil person. That says far more about some of you than it does me.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

What an awful thing to say. Now you have lost any high ground you had in this thread

Thats your opinion,and if its so easily swayed then perhaps it was never worth anything in the first place.

What a charmer.....

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Some examples of police "hospitality" at the recent student demos:

McIntyre "special treatment"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQV9P61FUwg

"Police" at work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0eQA1XAIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVgmxCcxZcg&NR=1 (another view)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etV57xZ4_I&NR=1 (yet another view)

More of the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNYYno66sE

Alfie Meadows incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsnt2A_m2TU

I'd hate to imagine what the riot police would be doing if the cameras weren't there...

On a more humourous note:
Riot policeman trampled by own horse (even the animals are rebelling ! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqgm...eature=related

Sorry, but I didn't find anything remotely funny in that last one.

But it seems as though some officers have not learned anything from the G20 riots. Or seeing as the officers who hid their IDs from that little outing got away with it, they feel untouchable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWICu...eature=related

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

How come none of you are criticising what the police had to say about the protestors in the inspectorgadget blog? They talked/joked about blowing peoples heads off...
Suspiciously silent on that I've noticed.

And here, I mention "on a more humourous note" in reference to animals rebelling too (its a joke, get over it) and suddenly I'm an evil person. That says far more about some of you than it does me.

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Thats your opinion,and if its so easily swayed then perhaps it was never worth anything in the first place.

Obviously your true colours showing through.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What a charmer.....

Nail and head

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Based upon the tone of your posts, you also seem to have decided that the Police are automatically in the wrong, if not downright evil yet oddly, seem happy to defend the actions of those who caused the trouble.

Of course they are in the wrong ! Hitting children and women is never justified unless they attack first.

This, in itself, makes me wonder about your agenda and whether you truly care about the student's plight or are happy to use any excuse to give the authorities a good kicking.

No, the authorities haven't had a good kicking. Did you notice the street gangs that turned up to the demos? You think they don't have access to firearms? They all do, and if the police continue with their current strategy then someone's going to get killed. They need to stop instigating the violence before the situation escalates.
Also, there's no need to wonder about my agenda - I'm entirely open with my views on this subject. I may joke about the police horse rebelling against the establishment, but I'd never take any delight in seeing a fellow human being getting hurt, whether they be police or other.

Let me ask you this. Bearing in mind that the Press (in particular) are quite happy to attack the police when they feel the police deserve it (see the G20 coverage, the coverage of that Brazillian guy being shot and even the coverage of the attack on Price Charles), why has there not been much coverage of how the police brutally attacked the students?

Interesting point, I have noticed this too. The press are in the business of selling the news rather than reporting it, and the story right now is how the students have unleashed their rage against the establishment.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Obviously your true colours showing through.

My true colours as you put it, were quite clear in my first post in this thread :

This is what the police have to say about the student protestors and the public in general:
http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...for-christmas/

Some of the comments made (by those we pay to protect us) are quite despicable. Usernames like "maniac cop", "Serpico" and "Rambo" should be no surprise and give some insight into what is going on in their minds.

It seems they don't want anyone protesting, even if it is peaceful. But if protestors do exercise their democratic right to protest, they want to make the experience so unpleasant for them that they'll think twice before demonstrating again. The police seem to see it as an "us vs them" issue, which I find rather disgusting if I can be quite honest.
A rather sobering reminder of what this country is turning into.

As for Jody McKintyre, the guy has cerebral palsy FFS ! He can't wheel himself, he has to be pushed around, so if he was rolling towards the police it was because he was being pushed. They pulled him our of his chair because of something he said, end of. Derek, he was no threat to anyone, and the fact that the officer(s) in question haven't been yet been sacked (let alone suspended) is shambolic !
The adage "The Law: Unto Themselves", springs to mind.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

But it seems as though some officers have not learned anything from the G20 riots. Or seeing as the officers who hid their IDs from that little outing got away with it, they feel untouchable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWICu...eature=related

Good find. There have been anecdotal reports of officers wearing false numbers so as not to arouse too much suspicion. It worries me that they would wish to hide their ID at all.

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More violence at the 9/12 protest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6wP...layer_embedded

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Here's an interesting read:
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=155592399

1 in 5 back violent protests, but 2 in 3 support use of water cannon.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

They need to stop instigating the violence before the situation escalates.

Yep the cop lying injured in the road was instigating loads of violence.

The Police have gone out their way to avoid confrontation in previous incidents, resisting putting on full public order gear until the hail of misiles gets ridiculous.

Yes street gangs have access to firearms. If you think they would use the demo as an excuse to shoot at cops then you really are as stupid as you are coming across in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

But it seems as though some officers have not learned anything from the G20 riots. Or seeing as the officers who hid their IDs from that little outing got away with it, they feel untouchable.

One officer out of several thousand and it's already been explained away. Her epaulettes were on her hi-viz which officers had to change out of due to the petrol bombs being thrown their way.

Flammable Hi-Viz jackets + petrol bombs = a very bad mixture. Thats why they reverted to the flame retardant overalls later in the day.

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Derek

If you think they would use the demo as an excuse to shoot at cops then you really are as stupid as you are coming across in this thread.

Why do you have to be so ignorant? I've no intention of stooping to your level so please for once say something sensible or I'll ignore you.

Everything you've said is biased in favour of the police, everyone can see it but you. The police can hide their name tags, drag someone from a wheelchair, attack without provocation, joke about shooting people, and you will just gloss over those details like nothing happened - and still defend the riot thugs in uniform.
I say anyone who is so biased on an issue that they have made up their minds whilst blatantly ignoring the hard facts is a fool, and there's no fool like an old fool.

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Originally Posted by Derek

One officer out of several thousand and it's already been explained away. Her epaulettes were on her hi-viz which officers had to change out of due to the petrol bombs being thrown their way.

Flammable Hi-Viz jackets + petrol bombs = a very bad mixture. Thats why they reverted to the flame retardant overalls later in the day.

Noone believes that rubbish, she was hiding her ID as were quite a few others - it was not an isolated case.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Everything you've said is biased in favour of the police, everyone can see it but you. The police can hide their name tags, drag someone from a wheelchair, attack without provocation, joke about shooting people, and you will just gloss over those details like nothing happened - and still defend the riot thugs in uniform.

99% of the cops I've seen on video have their shoulder numbers clearly visible.

I've already covered the 'treatment' of the professional protestor who seems to play on his disability when it suits him. I don't see any problem with the way he was dealt with under the circumstances. Being in a wheelchair doesn't automatically exempt you from being removed from an area.

Joke about shooting people? Oh I'm sorry that JOKES made by off-duty officers clearly in jest need to be justified.

Attack without provocation? Where?

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Noone believes that rubbish, she was hiding her ID as were quite a few others - it was not an isolated case.

Funnily enough I do. The Met commissioner does as well. If there were so many cops doing it how come they all managed to avoid being caught on video?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw, Serpico was a policeman who fought against internal corruption, and Rambo was someone who fought back after being victimised by unthinking police who were acting on stereotypes - thought you might have thought that was a good thing....

That the same Rambo that killed over 200 police and national guardsman, destroyed a town and got himself killed? Bit ott no matter what the victimisation imo...

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Originally Posted by Derek

Joke about shooting people? Oh I'm sorry that JOKES made by off-duty officers clearly in jest need to be justified.

Bit like Sparkles joke earlier then, except that needed to be justified

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That the same Rambo that killed over 200 police and national guardsman, destroyed a town and got himself killed? Bit ott no matter what the victimisation imo...

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Bit like Sparkles joke earlier then, except that needed to be justified

so sparkles found the clip amusing -but no one has mentioned that the police on horse back deliberately charged at students which could have resulted in death or terrible injury .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

so sparkles found the clip amusing -but no one has mentioned that the police on horse back deliberately charged at students which could have resulted in death or terrible injury .

I'm sure the horses are taught and trained not to panic and step on anyone

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Of course they are in the wrong ! Hitting children and women is never justified unless they attack first.

1) Who on earth would take children to a protest? Even assuming the protest was meant to be peaceful, there is always the chance it will turn violent.

2) Why assume the Police hit first.

No, the authorities haven't had a good kicking. Did you notice the street gangs that turned up to the demos? You think they don't have access to firearms? They all do, and if the police continue with their current strategy then someone's going to get killed. They need to stop instigating the violence before the situation escalates.

I know they do have access to firearms. I know they would also be perfectly willing to use these firearms in a protest without giving a rats about the actual purpose of the protest. This is why I condemn them. I don't actually condemn the students as a whole, nor do I condemn the Police.

Also, there's no need to wonder about my agenda - I'm entirely open with my views on this subject. I may joke about the police horse rebelling against the establishment, but I'd never take any delight in seeing a fellow human being getting hurt, whether they be police or other.

The thing is, you did post a video of a Police officer (presumably) being injured, under a heading that described it as humorous, with no indication that you were being anything other than serious.

Interesting point, I have noticed this too. The press are in the business of selling the news rather than reporting it, and the story right now is how the students have unleashed their rage against the establishment.

You appear to be saying that the Police are the the root cause of the trouble. I have cited examples where actions taken by the Police were found to have caused injury or death to others (well, the attack on the Prince's car didn't cause injury or death, but it is serious). In all those instances, we've had several days with most of the press (and other media ) reporting the story. So far, we've had that in none of the student protests. Why? The Sun and The Mail in particular are not known to be fans of the Police.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm sure the horses are taught and trained not to panic and step on anyone

You can train any animal as well as possible, but there will come a point where it believes it's life to be in danger and it will panic. Regardless of the training it receives.

I don't know the training they give their horses, but the Met so use them regularly in riots, so I am fairly certain they are trained to deal with riot situations as well.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm sure the horses are taught and trained not to panic and step on anyone

well that one's clearly not up to the job -its probably on the supermarket shelf now as[dog food] as its no good in a crowd situation , or do they get to retire in a field full of fluffy bunnies .

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek

Yep the cop lying injured in the road was instigating loads of violence.

The Police have gone out their way to avoid confrontation in previous incidents, resisting putting on full public order gear until the hail of misiles gets ridiculous.

Yes street gangs have access to firearms. If you think they would use the demo as an excuse to shoot at cops then you really are as stupid as you are coming across in this thread.

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One officer out of several thousand and it's already been explained away. Her epaulettes were on her hi-viz which officers had to change out of due to the petrol bombs being thrown their way.

Flammable Hi-Viz jackets + petrol bombs = a very bad mixture. Thats why they reverted to the flame retardant overalls later in the day.

Sorry, but I hold that with as much credibility as there being a Father Christmas. She could have easily changed her epaulettes when she changed her jacket. Are you really expecting us to believe she was the only one?

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Originally Posted by Derek

99% of the cops I've seen on video have their shoulder numbers clearly visible.

Well, I heard there was least five thousand police officers there, that would mean at least fifty of them hid their identification. I can't see why that doesn't worry anyone.

I've already covered the 'treatment' of the professional protestor who seems to play on his disability when it suits him. I don't see any problem with the way he was dealt with under the circumstances. Being in a wheelchair doesn't automatically exempt you from being removed from an area.

So, he is considered to be a bit of an irritant and that makes it okay to treat him like that. It may not make him exempt, but it does mean he should be treated in a way according to training. Is that how the police are trained to move someone along, who is in a wheelchair? What is the correct and authorised way to move someone in wheelchair?

Joke about shooting people? Oh I'm sorry that JOKES made by off-duty officers clearly in jest need to be justified.

What makes it okay because they were "off-duty?"

Funnily enough I do. The Met commissioner does as well. If there were so many cops doing it how come they all managed to avoid being caught on video?

But you have already conceded that at least fifty of them did hide their identification.