Students Rioting in London. - Page 9

punky · 12-11-2010, 06:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hmm seem to remember Willetts saying on average graduates earn Â£100k more throughout their entire careers so it's more like Â£2k a year before you take the new fees and their interest rates into account. Willetts was also actually using this in justification for raising the fees IIRC! Â£23k worth of student debt on average to earn Â£100k more over a lifetime will put an awful lot of people of attending.

That's an average though. For example if I didn't go do Uni and became a Tube druver or copper i'd earn more than I am now. However most jobs non-IT admin jobs seem to be around Â£10k less. When I move up to senior and management positions i'm sure the difference will grow.

Even at 2k/year you're still going to be quids after 5 or so years.

danielf · 12-11-2010, 08:03

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Originally Posted by Ed2020

From: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35121064-post248.html

And he's a serial offender as well

**Hugh** · 12-11-2010, 08:08

tbf, he wasn't protesting in public about education cuts.....

TheDaddy · 12-11-2010, 12:46

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Originally Posted by punky

Even at 2k/year you're still going to be quids after 5 or so years.

More like 12 years before you break and that's without taking the interest into account of course...

Ignitionnet · 12-11-2010, 12:49

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Originally Posted by danielf

And he's a serial offender as well

What / where / why / how?

Oh I see. Oops.

My grammar and punctuation seem to get progressively worse as time goes on. I'll console myself with the thought that I wasn't protesting and go and work out when I started adding an apostrophe to the possessive tense of its.

Stupid educational standards, crappy English is infectious.

On the upside I'm not allegedly educated and protesting about cuts and make a decent salary despite having that gaping hole in my punctuation and having failed abysmally at academia.

danielf · 12-11-2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

What / where / why / how?

Oh I see. Oops.

My grammar seems to get progressively worse as time goes on. I'll console myself with the thought that I wasn't protesting and go and work out when I started adding an apostrophe to the possessive tense of its.

Stupid educational standards, crappy English is infectious.

The funny thing is that you've been doing it a lot lately (twice in the euro-thread for example).

But I agree: poor spelling is infectious. I find myself having to think about stuff that was obvious a couple of years ago...

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On the upside I'm not allegedly educated

You know what they say about students: They have a lot to learn...

Arthurgray50@blu · 12-11-2010, 13:24

I think the next protest will be the unemployed, and they will have every right the same as we are free to do so.

Riots are not acceptable to anyone, but you will get this again, Until the coalition collapses, and it is proven what liars both parties are, they same one thing to get into power, and then do something different when they get in.

Derek · 12-11-2010, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think the next protest will be the unemployed, and they will have every right the same as we are free to do so.

I suppose if the ones on incapacity benefit are fit enough to riot it proves they are fit enough to work.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Riots are not acceptable to anyone, but you will get this again, Until the coalition collapses, and it is proven what liars both parties are, they same one thing to get into power, and then do something different when they get in.

Uh huh. And then once the coalition collapses what then? Labour come back and magic away the deficit?

Ignitionnet · 12-11-2010, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Riots are not acceptable to anyone, but you will get this again, Until the coalition collapses

Wishful thinking.

Be glad real Conservatives aren't in charge instead of pretend ones and the Lib Dems.

vanman · 12-11-2010, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Derek

Uh huh. And then once the coalition collapses what then? Labour come back and magic away the deficit?

that's the problem they are all the same .
the problem is immigration.not black white,pink the country is full up no jobs,no housing no hope

Ignitionnet · 12-11-2010, 15:13

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Originally Posted by vanman

that's the problem they are all the same .
the problem is immigration.not black white,pink the country is full up no jobs,no housing no hope

12-11-2010, 16:13

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Originally Posted by vanman

that's the problem they are all the same .
the problem is immigration.not black white,pink the country is full up no jobs,no housing no hope

could you please enlighten me as to what the hell immigration has got to do with university fees ,i didnt go to to uni or colledge and live the north so i will need it explaining in words of one sylababel

should be good

vanman · 12-11-2010, 16:40

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Originally Posted by martyh

could you please enlighten me as to what the hell immigration has got to do with university fees ,i didnt go to to uni or colledge and live the north so i will need it explaining in words of one sylababel

should be good

if you read the post you will see that i was replying to Derek

TheDaddy · 12-11-2010, 17:05

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Originally Posted by martyh

could you please enlighten me as to what the hell immigration has got to do with university fees ,i didnt go to to uni or colledge and live the north so i will need it explaining in words of one sylababel

should be good

Well without foreign students paying even more over inflated fees the cost for 'our own' students would be even higher....

G UK · 12-11-2010, 17:09

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Originally Posted by gazfan

This is an interesting article

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/skills-...003966.article

I can remember being offered a job back in the 70's where attending a 'day release' course at the local college was a condition of employment - this support was available for apprentices to progress to technician grades as well as (up to) masters degree level courses for other staff wanting to gain professional qualifications.

In my opinion, if employers want qualified staff, this arrangement 'seemed' to fulfil the need better than the current system - and perhaps a compromise on the employees expectation of their salary while training might be a more palatable concept than running up an huge debt at university with an uncertain prospect of a job at the end?

This is how I went about it. Full Time work, Day Release to Uni for 8-10 hours of lectures and expected to do all assignments, coursework and dissertations in my own time. This took five years. Meanwhile I was earning a decent wage and bought my own house.

Result = Good job at the end with zero student debts along with several years experience over the grad scheme starters.

Whilst at Uni I had to listen to the complaints of Full Time students about having 3-4 hours of lectures and how they needed more time for coursework etc etc. which always annoyed the hell out of me.

To this day I see how ill prepared many students start work and how so many of them start work thinking they know everything, many students have almost no clue about the real world or its demands although a handful come through who redeem my opinion of them to some degree.

This was all done gaining one of the more difficult degrees, Mechanical Engineering.