Unemployed Families Face Cap On Benefits

[tammac]

Originally Posted by Taf

HB can be paid to the tenant or the landlord... it's up to the tenant... which is why so many landlords are being stiffed payments month after month until they go through an expensive legal procedure to get the defaulting tenants out.

It's common practice amongst the Czech Roma hereabouts. I know because I have known then gleefully withholding rent to spend it on booze, sporty but clapped-out cars, and widescreen TVs. They have found a way to get free accomodation for extended periods... but landlords are spreading the word amongst themselves (only to have the race card thrown at them for refusing to rent to Czech Roma).

agree entirely there's another mob does the same,they get, duck houses, wisteria bushes sorted,and lots of other goodies, and we can't get them out. they're called M.P.s, the Roma have nothing on them.

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Originally Posted by Angua

The current system is ridiculously skewed towards benefit dependency and having to claim for so many different things. As the whole system is so bureaucratic it makes for too many ways to abuse the system and too many ways for people to fall between the cracks and lose out.

I get most annoyed with those talking about "child poverty" who seem to think throwing money at the poor will actually do anything about this. There must be more effective and better ways of improving the lot of children directly, which ensures the help needed actually reaches the ones who need it. All that seems to have happened with it so far is creating families who are better off claiming than working.

yes, sense at last, all we have to do is get people decent jobs with a decent wage, dead easy! as for throwing money at the poor, how come they are still poor, if they are getting all this cash.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by tammac

agree entirely there's another mob does the same,they get, duck houses, wisteria bushes sorted,and lots of other goodies, and we can't get them out. they're called M.P.s, the Roma have nothing on them.

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yes, sense at last, all we have to do is get people decent jobs with a decent wage, dead easy! as for throwing money at the poor, how come they are still poor, if they are getting all this cash.

Many people with a mortgage these days are poor

There is no simple answer to solving the problems. However simplifying and combining tax and benefits and social security must be more cost effective. Can you see any government actually doing such a thing though?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tammac

its All tax evasion mate!

Nope, one is playing by the rules one isn't.

[tammac]

Originally Posted by Angua

Many people with a mortgage these days are poor

There is no simple answer to solving the problems. However simplifying and combining tax and benefits and social security must be more cost effective. Can you see any government actually doing such a thing though?

there is something I would do, take the money of the bankers, let them take their questionable talents elsewhere, it might be a little simplistic, but, boy would i get satisfaction out of it,they are still paying themselves huge bonuses, why not make them pay instead of the Mrs Mopps who gets 20 quid a week on the side.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Nope, one is playing by the rules one isn't.

yes and who makes the rules?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by tammac

yes and who makes the rules?

Well if you don't trust any of the parties, which it seems you don't, I suggest you take a sabbatical to South America, raise a private army and come back and start a revolution.

Overthrow the goverment, write a new constitution and divide the nations wealth between its citizens.

Either that or don't caught doing your cash jobs....................

I don't actually have any issue with a self employed tradesman or handy man doing the odd cash job. No skin off my nose.

I do object to people that are claiming benefits working on the side, I would quite happily shop anyone I knew that was doing that.

[tammac]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well if you don't trust any of the parties, which it seems you don't, I suggest you take a sabbatical to South America, raise a private army and come back and start a revolution.

Overthrow the goverment, write a new constitution and divide the nations wealth between its citizens.

Either that or don't caught doing your cash jobs....................

I don't actually have any issue with a self employed tradesman or handy man doing the odd cash job. No skin off my nose.

I do object to people that are claiming benefits working on the side, I would quite happily shop anyone I knew that was doing that.

Don't believe in privatisation, look where it's got us, skint, as for your recommendations, well, waken up, and hopefully you'll let your friends know your an informer, what do you get? £20 a time

[Peter_]

As I have always advocated the cradle to the grave scrounger who has never had any intention of working in their lifetime should receive vouchers not cash and be clothed from a central clothing store where the primary colour of the clothes are beige.

The should not be an option for cash for these people.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Masque

As I have always advocated the cradle to the grave scrounger who has never had any intention of working in their lifetime should receive vouchers not cash and be clothed from a central clothing store where the primary colour of the clothes are beige.

How are you going to determine who is and who isn't eligible for the vouchers and free biege clothes?

if it became the rage in fashion and everyone wanted some. what colour would you change it to, to make them feel like they're outcasts and not fashion makers?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Masque

As I have always advocated the cradle to the grave scrounger who has never had any intention of working in their lifetime should receive vouchers not cash and be clothed from a central clothing store where the primary colour of the clothes are beige.

The should not be an option for cash for these people.

you'll have to change the colour: beige has already been claimed by pensioners

Originally Posted by papa smurf

you'll have to change the colour: beige has already been claimed by pensioners

With big buttons.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Taf

HB can be paid to the tenant or the landlord... it's up to the tenant... which is why so many landlords are being stiffed payments month after month until they go through an expensive legal procedure to get the defaulting tenants out.

It's common practice amongst the Czech Roma hereabouts. I know because I have known then gleefully withholding rent to spend it on booze, sporty but clapped-out cars, and widescreen TVs. They have found a way to get free accomodation for extended periods... but landlords are spreading the word amongst themselves (only to have the race card thrown at them for refusing to rent to Czech Roma).

One East European family I am aware of that were living in Roath played that trick. (I am not sure which East European country they were from)

They were collecting benefits and moved out after owing many months of rent, he discovered they had done the same thing at their previous rented property. The landlord eventually traced them to an address in Newport, he traced the owner of the property and discovered they were 3 months behind on rent with the new landlord.

I understand from the Roath landlord that many landlords in Cardiff now have an agreement that they share this information, and once on the unofficial list there is little chance of renting a property. One of the landlords with multiple properties responsible for the list is a big guy, who does not hesitate to deal with offenders of this nature.

The problem with HB as far as private landlords are concerned is that it is part of the claimants entitlement so the landlord has no right to that money and cannot insist that the rent be paid directly to him ,would it be possible to remove HB from peoples claim and call it something thing else ,let's say rent assistance for example that way the rent would then be able to be paid directly to the landlord

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Originally Posted by tammac

Don't believe in privatisation, look where it's got us, skint, as for your recommendations, well, waken up, and hopefully you'll let your friends know your an informer, what do you get? £20 a time

Are you working ?, if so try to work out how much of your tax is paying for someone to sit on the dole while doing a "bit on the side" ,then try to work out how much better off we would be if we could take the scroungers off the dole and get them to pay tax on their "bit on side"

Originally Posted by papa smurf

you'll have to change the colour: beige has already been claimed by pensioners

Oh no! I hate beige..

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Oh no! I hate beige..

http://www.beigeplus.com/

looks ok to me

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Are you working ?, if so try to work out how much of your tax is paying for someone to sit on the dole while doing a "bit on the side" ,then try to work out how much better off we would be if we could take the scroungers off the dole and get them to pay tax on their "bit on side"[/QUOTE]

i refuse to pay any more for my "bit on the side". She does ok by me

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by tammac

there is something I would do, take the money of the bankers, let them take their questionable talents elsewhere, it might be a little simplistic, but, boy would i get satisfaction out of it,they are still paying themselves huge bonuses, why not make them pay instead of the Mrs Mopps who gets 20 quid a week on the side.

So the over 3.5bn quid the tax man is getting out of their round of bonuses isn't enough?

You overtax the rich and let them take their questionable talents elsewhere you lose 100% of their tax intake. Then who pays the bills?

It's not only a little simplistic it's downright stupid and suicidal.

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Originally Posted by tammac

Don't believe in privatisation, look where it's got us, skint, as for your recommendations, well, waken up, and hopefully you'll let your friends know your an informer, what do you get? £20 a time

Well no, we as a country are skint due to overspend on public services, we as people will shortly be skint due to having to have taxes hiked to pay back for the overspend on public services. Privatisation has generally lowered the price of goods and services thanks to free market and competition (See BT as an example) but let's not let facts get in the way.