Young lad dies, after refusing blood

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zing

so you always stick to speed limits when your family is in the car?

Speed is only dangerous in certain circumstances when driving.
You can pick and choose when to exceed the speed limit so that you don't do it where it would put your family in danger.
Can you pick and choose your religious requirements in the same way?

[PeteLockwood]

Originally Posted by zing

What about abortion the willing execution of potential humans and how about the fact its perfectly acceptable in society for women to do it for no other reason other than they do not want a child. Now thats what I call selfish but in society perfectly acceptable

Stange how the right to choose whether to refuse treatment when you are sick isnt acceptable though eh??

you are clearly one of them so what i ever i say is going to be wrong ?

the fact is we live in a CIVILISED country and should not allow a CHILD to die based on the fact he was brainwashed from being young (after all religion is PUSHED onto most people because of parents) this is england.... not somalia

Originally Posted by PeteL

you are clearly one of them so what i ever i say is going to be wrong ?

the fact is we live in a CIVILISED country and should not allow a CHILD to die based on the fact he was brainwashed from being young (after all religion is PUSHED onto most people because of parents) this is england.... not somalia

I was one of them and I have clearly stated I would most likely fold with the blood issue so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

CIVILISED really? I take it you are not on Earth then? its not been CIVILISED down here for a long time

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Speed is only dangerous in certain circumstances when driving.
You can pick and choose when to exceed the speed limit so that you don't do it where it would put your family in danger.
Can you pick and choose your religious requirements in the same way?

IYO its safe anything can be around the next corner

A lot of Christian can pick and choose for example Catholics can pretty much do what they want as long as they confess and say their Penance

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Speed is only dangerous in certain circumstances when driving.
You can pick and choose when to exceed the speed limit so that you don't do it where it would put your family in danger.
Can you pick and choose your religious requirements in the same way?

Nevertheless speeding increase the risks, think of a blowout on a tyre, even when the risk appears minimal its still increased isnt it and thats a choice.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zing

IYO its safe anything can be around the next corner

If there's a corner, then pick and choose not to exceed the speed limit

Originally Posted by Zing

A lot of Christian can pick and choose for example Catholics can pretty much do what they want as long as they confess and say their Penance

That's not picking and choosing not to follow their religion if their religion allows this then is it?
Could a JW pick and choose and still be a JW?

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Originally Posted by speedfreak

Nevertheless speeding increase the risks, think of a blowout on a tyre, even when the risk appears minimal its still increased isnt it and thats a choice.

Drive a proper citroen and the suspension compensates

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If there's a corner, then pick and choose not to exceed the speed limit



That's not picking and choosing not to follow their religion if their religion allows this then is it?
Could a JW pick and choose and still be a JW?

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So you only speed in straight roads then

Thats convenient isn't it

No

[PeteLockwood]

Originally Posted by zing

I was one of them and I have clearly stated I would most likely fold with the blood issue so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

CIVILISED really? I take it you are not on Earth then? its not been CIVILISED down here for a long time

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IYO its safe anything can be around the next corner

A lot of Christian can pick and choose for example Catholics can pretty much do what they want as long as they confess and say their Penance

what is your damage ? no need to be fanatic...

the fact is he should of not been allowed to die, END OF

Originally Posted by PeteL

what is your damage ? no need to be fanatic...



the fact is he should of not been allowed to die, END OF

who is a fanatic ? spend a bit of time and you will see I am hardly that however I do express my opinion in religious threads as someone with first hand experience of actually being part of it in the past

So you advocate forcing patients to have treatment? and here was me thinking we had at least some Human Rights in this country.

Oh and I thought you advocated a CIVILISED society

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by zing

So you only speed in straight roads then

Thats convenient isn't it

No

I only exeed the speed limit where it is safe to do so, and very rarely.
You're much more likely to find me pootling along in lane 1 of a motorway keeping up with lorries and saving fuel.
As I've mentioned in the past, the worst accident I've been involved in which nearly killed me was doing 30mph in a 60 limit.

So, think of another analogy than speeding

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I only exeed the speed limit where it is safe to do so, and very rarely.
You're much more likely to find me pootling along in lane 1 of a motorway keeping up with lorries and saving fuel.
As I've mentioned in the past, the worst accident I've been involved in which nearly killed me was doing 30mph in a 60 limit.

So, think of another analogy than speeding

I do not need to think of another I do not feel you have done enough to make me need to

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by zing

who is a fanatic ?

You certainly havent come across as fanatical in this thread he does vote BNP so dont expect much understanding


Xaccers the speeding analogy was a good one to the point raised, whenever you speed with your family in the car you are putting them in more danger, theres no argument against that, Citroen suspension or not

Personally Ive never understood JW's and this thing with blood transfusions, maybe Im not educated enough, its blurred by me watching an episode of casualty many years ago and the same thing happened with someone dying after refusing blood, I never understood it and when the cheery men in the suits come knocking I always send them away with that thought in my mind. If someone wants to die its up to them, no matter how stupid it may seem. As its been hinted at on here, if you arent an atheist or a Christian it seems to get stick on here. Personally Im a cross between atheist and christian if there is such a thing, I havent made my mind up yet

more patients have died from tainted blood than JWs died for refusing it

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by zing

more patients have died from tainted blood than JWs died for refusing it

yes but then on the other side of that coin how many JW's would have lived if they had accepted it

[Angua]

Or f you take the view of Nietzsche - improving the gene pool as he will not now have children & carry on the JW belief.

I don't know if it is still true, but is there not a system of shinning/excluding those who leave the JWs or go against their rules. This aspect of a religion always struck me as very unfair on the young who may not have had any choice in the matter.

[Sasha222]

Are they against taking plasma as well because isn't that a sub instead of gettiing blood that can save the persons life