The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4

[Dai]

Election debate rap battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h92DALSM_A

[Ignitionnet]

Interesting article on Canada's recent minority goverment experiences.

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Quick link on the massive electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets.

Noteworthy is that there have been no complaints from Labour and as I mentioned before a journalist got beaten up there for looking into these issues.


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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I've only one real beef with the Green party..they want to get rid of the Monarchy.

I have several, this being the a good example of the biggest:

In contrast, the Green Party is open about what we would cut, what we would defend, and about the fact that we need to raise taxation from 36 per cent of GDP in 2009–10 to around 45 per cent in 2013.

Utterly clueless left-wing nut jobs - they'd have to raise taxes by a fair bit more than 25% from current level once various large corporations left the UK and ran their European presence from somewhere that doesn't have a punitive tax regime along with high earners with in demand skills disappearing elsewhere. Rape my pay slip I can't buy as many goods and services and can't support the economy which means less employment in the private sector and a lower tax take, ignoring that if taxes went that high I'd be off and zero tax income from me anyway!

Here's a highly partisan video apparently produced by the Tories which nonetheless gives a lot of reasons why we need a party, any party, besides Labour. Stuff the bit about how only voting Conservative would work at the end, anyone apart from Labour would be just fine.

Not trying to change anyone's mind with that video of course, I have little doubt I could show Gordon Brown sacrificing small children and some posters here would still vote Labour, but it puts the bad side of the current administration nicely into focus. Do remember that they have some achievements to be proud of as well, of course, and make your own decision.

[punky]

Blimey, just listening to a Greek union spokeswoman on BBC News.

Ye Gods, don't ever annoy a Greek woman. EVER.

[Hiroki]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Good to see you quoted Hiroki as I've been told that a lot recently. I've been feeling a lot like Tim Henman - only ever able to achieve a semi.

Sorry for not being able to respond in the way you would like, I am not very good at arguing/expressing myself over a forum

Originally Posted by Chris

That's limp. Very, very limp.

Why do you believe in them?

I don't really need to give a reason

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hiroki

Sorry for not being able to respond in the way you would like, I am not very good at arguing/expressing myself over a forum

I don't really need to give a reason

Maybe just a few bullet points? Local or national issues? Public services? Economy? Foreign policy? Defence?

Of course you don't have to give reasons but given you apparently saw the candidates, thought everything through and what you heard solidified your view that voting Labour was the best idea you must have some vague idea why?

As it is right or wrong it just comes across that you are living up to my tongue in cheek post regarding voting for a vomit covered turd so long as it has the right rosette which is of course your right but please do correct me. Doesn't need debating skills to simply list what concerns you that you think Labour do better, and I couldn't care less really how you vote or what you say it's quite obvious where Newcastle was going to go anyways and it is your vote to use how you please. Just a bit of a shame if you're using something so important so apparently lightly

[Osem]

I nearly hit my hand with my trusty club hammer when I heard Gordon Brown promising a referendum on electoral reform again this morning... That'll be like the one we got on the EU constitution will it???

As with so many things he and his miserable party have promised over the years, he's all for action before elections but not so keen afterwards... Eager to 'listen' to people before they vote but back to his usual arrogant and patronising self afterwards when his place at the feeding trough is guaranteed. God help us if this man and his band of inept leeches are still in power in any form on Friday!

Well if the opinion polls are to be believed and i am not sure they should looks like were heading for a hung parliament with labour and the lib dems ready to do a deal. Yes yes i know clegg keeps denying it but both he and GB have done the cosying up bit a few tiomes quickly followed by attacks almost to make it look like there is no common ground. I would much rather one party had the majority even if that party was labour then enter into bargaining positions in a hung election.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well if the opinion polls are to be believed and i am not sure they should looks like were heading for a hung parliament with labour and the lib dems ready to do a deal. Yes yes i know clegg keeps denying it but both he and GB have done the cosying up bit a few tiomes quickly followed by attacks almost to make it look like there is no common ground. I would much rather one party had the majority even if that party was labour then enter into bargaining positions in a hung election.

It seems Brown will go unless Labour are the majority party. Anything else and he will be gone with someone else leading an possible collation. There does seem to be geniune hostility with Brown/Lib-Dems than Labour/Lib-Dems, not sure where you get the impression that they are close.

The Liberal Democrats seem to be more open to a deal with the Conservatives, if they get the most votes, than Labour but I think voting reform will be the key issue, if Labour offer a referendum on that then that may well be enough.

I am quite happy with a hung parliament. If it is the case that the Tories have not done enough to convince people to award them a majority then they will have to compromise or be sidelined. There is nothing wrong with such a deal because it would mean that at least 50% of the electorate will see the people they voted for wield some kind of influence to get things done. Rather than 30-37% of people deciding who should govern the entire electorate.

We might have seen a lot fewer bad bills passed if we had such a system in the last Parliament.

I'm very relieved that I managed to sell out all my stock options before election day. If those ass-bags from Neo-Liebour get back in, I expect to see bad things happen on the stock, and futurers markets.

If the next government, whoever they are, don't get a grip on public spending, and the budget deficit quickly abd decisively. I expect the internation markets will be queuing up to hammer Stirling. That double dip recession is looking a bit more likely in my eyes....

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Damien

It seems Brown will go unless Labour are the majority party. Anything else and he will be gone with someone else leading an possible collation. There does seem to be geniune hostility with Brown/Lib-Dems than Labour/Lib-Dems, not sure where you get the impression that they are close.

The Liberal Democrats seem to be more open to a deal with the Conservatives, if they get the most votes, than Labour but I think voting reform will be the key issue, if Labour offer a referendum on that then that may well be enough.

I am quite happy with a hung parliament. If it is the case that the Tories have not done enough to convince people to award them a majority then they will have to compromise or be sidelined. There is nothing wrong with such a deal because it would mean that at least 50% of the electorate will see the people they voted for wield some kind of influence to get things done. Rather than 30-37% of people deciding who should govern the entire electorate.

We might have seen a lot less bad bills passed if we had such a system in the last Parliament.

I would add - a hung parliament would rid us of the arrogance that both Labour & the Tories are guilty of.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I'm very relieved that I managed to sell out all my stock options before election day. If those ass-bags from Neo-Liebour get back in, I expect to see bad things happen on the stock, and futurers markets.

If the next government, whoever they are, don't get a grip on public spending, and the budget deficit quickly abd decisively. I expect the internation markets will be queuing up to hammer Stirling. That double dip recession is looking a bit more likely in my eyes....

The EU have thought about the upcoming issues and decided the best way to deal with such things is to regulate the credit rating agencies and considering making their own which clearly won't be politically influenced at all. How dare they downgrade Greece rapidly because it was three weeks from defaulting? That'll teach them for doubting a Eurozone country. Maybe I'm being overly simplistic but the story really does read that the EU are considering retaliating on the agencies for doing their job and downgrading the credit of a nation in deep excrement purely because it was an inconvenient truth.

I actually totally agree the rating agencies need looking at - for being far too generous with their sovereign ratings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BA2J...ture=topvideos

Where did he pull that from!? He needed to be like this from the start of the campaign.

It has probably taken this long to get GB to a point he could look and sound sincere thats why we havn't seen it from the begining. Also i never said labour and the lib dems were close i said they had both had spells of cosying up to each other prepping the ground for a coalition. I don't see a hung parliament as a best of both worlds more a worst of both worlds where bargaining is more important to maintain the coalition then actually getting doen what needs to be done.

Right now we need a strong government that is going to get a grip of this country and start to sort it out. Sadly given the depth of the mess were in we really need a two term for the party that starts to sort this out because it cannot be done in just five years. I like the general idea of a the big society in which we all play our part in our communitys and surely after all these years of people complaining about the growth of government and it's interference in our daily lives we should all be supporting that sort of idea.

Also if it hapens we all get the real chance to make a positive contribution to our communitys rather then just sitting on our backsides moaning but never doing anything. More then anything i want government slimmed right down from where it is now and labour will only increase government and the some of the policys the lib dems have also seem to me to herald a further increase in government. Oh for thursday to come so that all this can come to an end and we know what we have to endure for the next five years.

[alferret]

With all thats been said and done over the past 4-6 weeks by all parties Cameron still gets my vote, 4.45pm a big fat X will be marking the conservative box.

[papa smurf]

i heard to day that if gordo looses he will be looking for work with a charity,
i just hope its not in charge of finances or buying equipment .