The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4 - Page 27

Arthurgray50@blu · 03-05-2010, 19:52

If l said ' the wife' would you believe me, no secretly, between you and me, l will vote for Libs.

Sirius · 03-05-2010, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

If l said ' the wife' would you believe me, no secretly, between you and me, l will vote for Libs.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I don't think the Tories will do this, this is why l say VOTE LABOUR.

Arthur are you a push me pull you by any chance

**Mick** · 03-05-2010, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Don't make me laugh, on Thatcher, she crippled this country, and l for one was glad when she was forced to resign. She destroyed a great country, you lot must be all Tory, to come out with all that crap,

Arthur you seriously need to get a grip and stop wearing those rose tinted glasses of yours. You are wrong pure and simple.

No she did not cripple this Country - she stifled the unions and rightfully so which crippled the country you mean through countless strikes. Was you abducted by aliens around 1978-1979 - around the time of the Winter of discontent? Strike after strike and some of them unofficial. All this a 'Winter of Discontent' under a Labour Government. So remember please which political party is renowned for crippling the country. History recalls that being Labour.

So Arthur kindly get your facts right or don't post your CRAP.

Hom3r · 03-05-2010, 20:11

Well my prediction from Friday morning.

We all wake up to find that DC is in No 10.

with in 6 months GB is no longer leader of Labour.

The Torys have forgot to carry the 1 in ther maths, and taxes, etc raised.

The way I see it is that this time round the Lib dems have come from a 3rd party to snapping at the heals of the number two, and that voing for them will only benefit the tories.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2010, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

If l said ' the wife' would you believe me, no secretly, between you and me, l will vote for Libs.

Phew - lucky it's a secret ballot then, Arthur.

Actually, this is why you have this uncontrollable urge to vote Labour.....

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2010, 20:16

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How are Davey & Co going to turn this state of affairs around exactly? Any idea?

Or is this just another hollow promise that you are willing to take at face value just because Mr C says it will happen?

You are quick to attempt to shoot down other people on this forum with your snobbish and boorish posts so please at least practice what you preach and lets have some "facts"...

I didn't say anything about Cameron doing this, and again I have criticised them numerous times. That was my opinion of what Government should do rather than the socialism that Arthur advocated. Every time we're swung to the left in this country, the previous 13 years, the pre-Thatcher Labour government being obvious examples, we are left needed huge cuts due to the spending of a ton of money the country doesn't have.

If you are interested in the Conservative approach it's in their manifesto, the whole 'Big Society' thing. I don't need to add anything to it - go read.

You're still yet, by the way, to actually give a serious policy position for anything. My posts may be snobbish and boorish but at least I explain my position rather than conjuring up some mysterious dark Conservative conspiracy.

Derek · 03-05-2010, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

with in 6 hours GB is no longer leader of Labour.

Fixed that for you.

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2010, 20:25

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and the one thing l love about it, is the slanging matches that goes on between members.

On Friday morning, people will be saying, 'oh no ' they got in, then hell for the next five years, The election will gives us a party that will go on tv, to brag at what they are going to achieve, and it will be a load of crap, IF the Tories get in, then prepare yourself for Thatcher 2, as that is what is going to happen. That is my last word on the subject.

Thatcher 2 is indeed incoming. Certainly the cuts needed are as savage as those she undertook (Labour's words by the way, not mine).

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I asked Alistair Darling to spell out how tough spending cuts could be:

Robinson: "The Treasury's own figures suggest deeper, tougher than Thatcher's - do you accept that?"

Darling: "They will be deeper and tougher - where we make the precise comparison I think is secondary to an acknowledgement that these reductions will be tough."

Kinda puts all those promises that Gordon Brown is blowing up the electorate's backsides into context doesn't it when his own Chancellor goes off message by telling the truth. Only the Tories have been anything like honest and they are still way short of how nasty it's actually going to have to be. Brown is just giving out nonsense about making promises and trying to divert attention from the scale of everything as much as possible.

I respect Alistair Darling for that a great deal - that he has been good enough to tell the truth sometimes. More than his boss has done.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Don't make me laugh, on Thatcher, she crippled this country, and l for one was glad when she was forced to resign. She destroyed a great country, you lot must be all Tory, to come out with all that crap,

She brought the UK back from the humiliation of an IMF bailout and the financial mess that Labour left behind. Her and Major left a strong and growing economy behind with the government running a surplus.

She is hated because of the decisions she had to make to tidy up the mess that Labour left behind, just as the next government will be disliked due to having to tidy up the mess that Labour leave behind.

It's been a simple pattern, Labour rape the economy to grow the state and try and run everything, Tories have to rape the state to try and repair the economy.

Contrary to the ongoing Labour economic wisdom bills do have to be paid and state spending doesn't make or grow the economy, only private sector production can do that.

The Tories did of course make mistakes, plenty of them, but at very least they left a decent and balanced economy behind as opposed to the abject mess that Labour have left behind this time and in 1979, assuming they don't find a way to scare the electorate into voting for them on Thursday.

**Mick** · 03-05-2010, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The election will gives us a party that will go on tv, to brag at what they are going to achieve, and it will be a load of crap

Hold on just a blinking mo - that's pretty much what Labour have being doing for the last 13 years I think you will find and even now in this futile campaigning that they have been doing - oh and Arthur - I have to say this but for goodness sake, wind your neck back in will you.

**Chris** · 03-05-2010, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Hiroki

I have to say it's changed from me blindly supporting Labour just because I despise Cameron and now it's down to the fact that I just believe in them more than I do any other party.

That's limp. Very, very limp.

Why do you believe in them?

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2010, 21:27

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That's limp. Very, very limp.

Good to see you quoted Hiroki as I've been told that a lot recently. I've been feeling a lot like Tim Henman - only ever able to achieve a semi.

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Why do you believe in them?

I'm interested in this bit too. Local issues I might be able to grasp, however the actual words used were 'Labour' and their bid for re-election has been largely about throwing mud at the other two parties along with telling some real whoppers regarding service level guarantees and a load of other stuff there's no way in hell they'll be able to afford.

Looking at things pragmatically, if one ignores Labour's scare tactics the promises they have made to the electorate have, in the context of the massive structural deficit they've chalked up, been the most unbelievable by some distance.

Dai · 03-05-2010, 21:30

This really spoke to me.

"By instructing us, over the years, to heed fears, not hopes, such voices have allowed Labour to abandon everything it once stood for, and hand us, trussed and oven-ready, to big business and the Daily Mail. We'll be trapped like this for ever, in New Labour's Bermuda triangulation, unless we vote for what we believe in rather than just against what we don't."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...bour-fear-hope

danielf · 03-05-2010, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I'm interested in this bit too. Local issues I might be able to grasp, however the actual words used were 'Labour' and their bid for re-election has been largely about throwing mud at the other two parties

I don't think the Tories have been much better than Labour in the mud slinging department.

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2010, 22:12

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Originally Posted by danielf

I don't think the Tories have been much better than Labour in the mud slinging department.

I disagree and think the distance is considerably wider than that especially given that Labour are incumbent so 'should' have a record to draw on while the Tories can only say what they would do and draw on the incumbent's record. Though I would, I am biased

danielf · 03-05-2010, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I disagree and think the distance is considerably wider than that especially given that Labour are incumbent so 'should' have a record to draw on while the Tories can only say what they would do and draw on the incumbent's record. Though I would, I am biased

That's a fair point, but I would counter that the Tories have been guilty of considerable mud slinging (by proxy) and FUD towards the Lib Dems. They're no angels by any stretch of the imagination.