Politically Correct person makes man kill himself.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes, the manager does have a duty to act responsibly, but they also have a duty to any potential victim. Perhaps, after an initial investigation they decided it warranted the action they took. It is also possible that some **** of a manager, who was covering for the day, decided to play things safe and chose to act beyond his remit.

agreed that's the biggest problem with sort of thing different people see the same situation in a different light and react differently ..as this thread proves ,some see it as bullying some see it as a bit of fun

Originally Posted by martyh

agreed that's the biggest problem with sort of thing different people see the same situation in a different light and react differently ..as this thread proves ,some see it as bullying some see it as a bit of fun

And some of us see it as over legislation of our private lives..The strange thing is that stand up comics can get away with saying much worse things provided they don't use certain words and names...

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well the "victim" of the abuse is a funny victim as he went to his mate funeral.

The person who has blood on there hands is a I said in a later post, the bust body who started the ball rolling.

The mail article is (as they often are) a little light on facts that tell us what actually happened. One thing they do not mention is *if* the person who reported the incident knew that they were friends, and therefore would have known it was a friendly remark rather than bullying or racism.

If they didn't, how were they not doing the right thing? They reported potential bullying to a manager. Bullying *has* caused people to kill themselves and it does occur in a *lot* or workplaces. The victims of bullying often do not report the bullying. This is why bullies are often so successful.

I am not, as I said earlier, defending the actions of the company. Based on the facts as presented (which I am sure do not tell the whole story anyway), I don't see why the company would have done anything worse than have a quick word with the man who said the comment.

[Mr_love_monkey]

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm sure people would like to view the complainant as an interfering busy-body but what if it was a manager or supervisor whose job it is to investigate such things?

I'm not trying justify anything that happened in this but it's like people are desperate for someone to blame when it may not be that simple.

Russ - perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly - but didn't you have something like this years ago? - you were asking someone at your work about their country of origin - and someone else overheard and complained about you?

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

The mail article is (as they often are) a little light on facts that tell us what actually happened. One thing they do not mention is *if* the person who reported the incident knew that they were friends, and therefore would have known it was a friendly remark rather than bullying or racism.

If they didn't, how were they not doing the right thing? They reported potential bullying to a manager. Bullying *has* caused people to kill themselves and it does occur in a *lot* or workplaces. The victims of bullying often do not report the bullying. This is why bullies are often so successful.

I am not, as I said earlier, defending the actions of the company. Based on the facts as presented (which I am sure do not tell the whole story anyway), I don't see why the company would have done anything worse than have a quick word with the man who said the comment.

"knew that they were friends" Didn`t the Black guy ,who the remark was directed at laugh? He also went to his friends funeral and was shattered.
" The black man, who is believed to have attended Mr Amor’s funeral and had known him for many years, is said to be ‘shattered’

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by budwieser

"knew that they were friends" Didn`t the Black guy ,who the remark was directed at laugh? He also went to his friends funeral and was shattered.
" The black man, who is believed to have attended Mr Amor’s funeral and had known him for many years, is said to be ‘shattered’

No direct evidence or quotes from those involved, just unsubstantiated speculation.

[Ed2020]

Originally Posted by budwieser

He also went to his friends funeral and was shattered.

So presumably the person who made the report should have been able to see the future...?

[frogstamper]

Whatever the real facts are in this sorry tale none of us know, as usual the Daily Hate has printed a salacious story based on unknown sources all designed to get people hot under the collar about our "PC society".
There is a very slim chance that what these muppets have printed could be true, that a man makes a fairly innocuous remark to a friend, gets suspended then goes home and in a fit of despair commits suicide...on the other hand, and far more likely in my opinion, the above is no more than standard DM crap stirring.
Does anybody honestly believe the above happened in the way its been presented? apart from Gary that is..

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

This bit:

Yes, I know which bit you quoted, but as I said, I'm not sure what you're getting at, I can't see how your post relates to the bit of my post you quoted. Hence why I asked

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by budwieser

"knew that they were friends" Didn`t the Black guy ,who the remark was directed at laugh? He also went to his friends funeral and was shattered.
" The black man, who is believed to have attended Mr Amor’s funeral and had known him for many years, is said to be ‘shattered’

A funeral which happened *after* the incident was reported. Also, whether he heard the laugh or not, the company should have investigated and taken that into account.

If it is as it is reported then this whole thing could have been sorted quickly and easily with a quick conversation between the two parties which didn't happen because of whatever reason and completely inappropriate action was taken.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Yes, I know which bit you quoted, but as I said, I'm not sure what you're getting at, I can't see how your post relates to the bit of my post you quoted. Hence why I asked

I forget myself now.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If it is as it is reported then this whole thing could have been sorted quickly and easily with a quick conversation between the two parties which didn't happen because of whatever reason and completely inappropriate action was taken.

I am not disputing that. In fact, I have said as much three times now.

What I am disputing is that the person who reporting the incident is directly responsible. IF they are the manager concerned and just suspended the guy, then yes, they have to take some of the blame. The other part of the blame lays with the procedures within the company.

If they are not, then all they did was reported a concern to a superior. I don't see why they should be blamed for killing someone just for doing that.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

No direct evidence or quotes from those involved, just unsubstantiated speculation.

"
‘His colleague has known both Roy and Ann for years and is a family friend. He went to Roy’s funeral and is as shattered by what happened as is everyone else.

‘He has told Ann that he didn’t make the complaint and despite requests from the family, the company has refused to discuss the details of it. "


A little bit clearer for you mate. ?

Stuart they may well be to blame if they are amongst the growing number of people in this country incapable of using their brain and common sense and are part of the be offended on behalf of others brigade that is sadly around and growing. Also before i would ever fire off anything remotely official i would do a bit of research myself on something and find out if it was a problem. These days people are so damn scared to be labelled and react completely stupid to things that once upon a time would have been laughed at or ignored.