Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain

[papa smurf]

Ministers are examining whether to use powers to track the travel plans of everyone leaving the country under a system known as e-Borders to deal with the problem of unpaid fines.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html


is this taking things just a little to far ?

[Taf]

Nope, do the crime, pay the fine.

[Kymmy]

Going abroad is just a get out of jail free card for minor offences, why should people who have done wrong get away with it??

[nomadking]

So travelling from John O Groats to Land's End is OK, but Dover to Calais isn't? So much for freedom of movement within the EU.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So travelling from John O Groats to Land's End is OK, but Dover to Calais isn't? So much for freedom of movement within the EU.

By going from Lands End to John O'Groats, you are not leaving the UK. When you go to Calais, you are.

[kpanchev]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Ministers are examining whether to use powers to track the travel plans of everyone leaving the country under a system known as e-Borders to deal with the problem of unpaid fines.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html


is this taking things just a little to far ?

Have you read the article at all? If you have, you should not ask this question. Or maybe you have a bunch of unpaid tickets and prefer not to pay them?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Going abroad is just a get out of jail free card for minor offences, why should people who have done wrong get away with it??

But going abroad is also a way of getting away from paying debts in general, so if you have an unpaid debt(eg mortgage) even with payments up to date, you will be stopped from leaving the country?

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

By going from Lands End to John O'Groats, you are not leaving the UK. When you go to Calais, you are.

But you are still within the EU. Travelling in the EU is guaranteed by the Maastricht Treaty.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by kpanchev

Have you read the article at all? If you have, you should not ask this question. Or maybe you have a bunch of unpaid tickets and prefer not to pay them?

never had a parking fine also don't own a passport , not so elementary my dear holmes .
i have read the article and i am asking the question thats the point of the thread .

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But you are still within the EU. Travelling in the EU is guaranteed by the Maastricht Treaty.

Access to a country within the EU is guarenteed (though tell that to the newer EU members ), but not the ability to leave ones country of birth/residence/nationality...

As for the person who argued about unpaid debts that's not the issue here as it's not a criminal offence unless obtained by deception...The article explicitly says Fines or Consfication orders

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Access to a country within the EU is guarenteed (though tell that to the newer EU members ), but not the ability to leave ones country of birth/residence/nationality...

As for the person who argued about unpaid debts that's not the issue here as it's not a criminal offence unless obtained by deception...

Any EU country has the right to deny citizens from other EU countries entry, as happened just a few weeks ago when Geert Wilders attempted to visit the UK, and was put on the next plane back to Holland. Also, when leaving the country, border officials can run your passport through the computer, and deny you the right to exit if you have any outstanding fines/are wanted for something.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But you are still within the EU. Travelling in the EU is guaranteed by the Maastricht Treaty.

The countries in the EU, however, are still different countries.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

The countries in the EU, however, are still different countries.

RESOLVED to establish a citizenship common to nationals of their countries,

RESOLVED to facilitate the free movement of persons, while ensuring the safety and security of their peoples, by establishing an area of freedom, security and justice, in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty,

[Kymmy]

But that still doesn;t dispute the fact that a country still has an individual right to protect it's borders and that includes people leaving as well as people entering..

The EU rights do NOT superceed a countries rights...Otherwise we'd all be paid in Euro's atm

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The answer is simple. You want free movement, either pay the fines you have acrued or appeal them and get them cancelled.

The Maastricht treaty does not, AFAIK, remove a country's right to stop people leaving the country if they want to. If it did allow total freedom throughout europe, as you are implying, we would not be allowed to imprison anyone.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

The answer is simple. You want free movement, either pay the fines you have acrued or appeal them and get them cancelled.

The Maastricht treaty does not, AFAIK, remove a countries right to stop people leaving the country if they want to. If it did allow total freedom throughout europe, as you are implying, we would not be allowed to imprison anyone.

Football hooligans can be banned from travelling overseas. Gary Glitter can't travel overseas. People with unpaid fines can be stopped as well.