Madeleine McCann

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Well lets put it this way, to clear up a point, and this is not to upset anyone, indeed my friends on this site, When you go out shopping, or you go to the loo, or in the papershop, you must have left the kids outside, even though you could or not see your kids, this is all the people need to snatch kids, a ' few seconds '.

I have left my young son outside the corner shop, to get a can of coke, this is what l am saying, its takes, that time for someone to do something., it might be out of order (ie Foreverwar) BUT this does happen, this is what l am saying.

In the case of Maddie, she was probabely have been followed for days, before the person struck, the person was an oppotuniest to have done it.

On the point of 'facts' I have been listening to the case from day one, the news did state ' it was known by police that pedos were known to go to area, And on the day after, a pedo was killed THAT was seen in the area on the day, who could have known the whereabouts of Maddie' Also, news that was coming out of Portugal, was that there was a 'ring' taking young children from that Island' I got my info from Sky, newspapers etc.

Arthur, you are digging yourself further into the muck with your extended unwarranted accusations - you appear to be tarring everyone else with what I can only assume are behaviours you exhibit yourself. If you keep this up, you won't have many "friends" on this forum.

I have never left my children outside a shop - if the pushchair/stroller wouldn't fit in, I would take them out and carry them; neither was I so desperate for the loo that I would leave my kids outside.

Could we have a link to the two "factual statements" you are making?
a) Paedophiles (if you are going to slander people, at least try and spell it properly, if not consistently) were known to go to the area
b) A paedophile was killed the day after

btw (again), the Algarve in Portugal is not an island, but why I am surprised at this error - you and reliable fact-based statements never seem to be in close proximity.

Also, I have taken my family (including my children) to the Algarve four times in the last 10 years - strange that I, or other families that I know frequently holiday there, have never heard that the Algarve is a popular paedophile holiday destination.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I have never left my children outside a shop - if the pushchair/stroller wouldn't fit in, I would take them out and carry them; neither was I so desperate for the loo that I would leave my kids outside.

Nor me, nor Mrs T.

[joglynne]

I'm sorry Arthur but I am another parent who never left their child on its own. I agree that you cannot always be in the same room at all times. In your own home sometimes it's prudent not to wake a sleeping baby to take him to the loo with you.

But.... I have never left my child on his own and gone out with friends relying on my child's safety being covered by one of us checking back periodically. I have never even used a hotels listening/ baby sitting service as I wouldn't trust a stranger to look after my most precious possession let alone my child. I didn't ever considered leaving my child outside a shop, the pram or pushchair maybe but my child went inside with me.

As for your last paragraph I would like to see a link to back up what you say about the pedophiles as I seem to remember that what you say, was in the main, conjecture on the part of the papers, rumours "unearthed" by the investigators hired by the McCanns and just general speculation rather than a established fact.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I don't want to ruin my good relationships with anyone on this forum, l am just saying, that it only takes seconds, for something to happen, this is my point - l give up.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I don't want to ruin my good relationships with anyone on this forum, l am just saying, that it only takes seconds, for something to happen, this is my point - l give up.

That's not what you are saying - you are saying that everyone leaves their children unattended, and we disagree.

Just because you don't like the truth, doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Foreverwar, l HAVE always accepted what people have said, especially what people think of what l say, this is all part of life, you learn by mistakes, and if l am wrong, l will say that.

All l am trying to say is, it takes a couple of seconds to take a child, by a an oppotunist, to take a child. That to me is the end of the matter.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I have a few questions that I'd love to ask Gerry. One being how did an audience with the pope, no doubt paid for by the Maddie Fund, help in finding his daughter? I bet most people who paid into that fund were not happy at how it was being spent. It's not even like they were skint.

Does the Pope charge for an audience these days, you used to just phone up and he'd see you on any Wednesday he was free, it happened to some one I used to know quite well, he arranged for a chap to be presented with a medal by the old Pope.

I actually think the visit was one of their better ideas as well and not just for the spiritual benefits Chris pointed out in the other thread either

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Does the Pope charge for an audience these days, you used to just phone up and he'd see you on any Wednesday he was free, it happened to some one I used to know quite well, he arranged for a chap to be presented with a medal by the old Pope.

That proves what I've thought for a while, it is easier to get an audience with the pope than it is with my dentist. Does anybody know if Benedict can handle a bit of root canal work?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Although the pope might or might not have charged for the visit, flights to and from Rome as well as any other related costs were certainly not met by the Vatican. The Maddie Fund was not as far as I recall a Mr & Mrs McCann Spiritual Healing or Comfort Fund. My point is that Gerry is pointing the finger at other elements for profiteering from his daughter's disappearance, when in fact he is open to the same sort of accusation from others.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Although the pope might or might not have charged for the visit, flights to and from Rome as well as any other related costs were certainly not met by the Vatican. The Maddie Fund was not as far as I recall a Mr & Mrs McCann Spiritual Healing or Comfort Fund. My point is that Gerry is pointing the finger at other elements for profiteering from his daughter's disappearance, when in fact he is open to the same sort of accusation from others.

I thought the fund was there to raise awareness in the hope of finding her, the biggest Portuguese speaking country on the planet is Brazil with it's massive Catholic population, any better ideas of how to get the message out there?

[Gary L]

New Madeleine McCann suspect

An artist's impression has been drawn of the latest suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The image shows a "very ugly" man who appeared to watch the apartment where the three-year-old's family was staying on the day before she vanished.

Investigators have received hundreds of phone calls since the McCanns appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8036937.stm

Yes on the 2nd anniversary of her disappearence a whole new suspect turns up who if what we are told is true would be very hard to have not noticed and yet only now does he appear. I am not too sure about this or why only now he has come to anyone's attention.

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Yes on the 2nd anniversary of her disappearence a whole new suspect turns up who if what we are told is true would be very hard to have not noticed and yet only now does he appear. I am not too sure about this or why only now he has come to anyone's attention.

Why would they lie? Yes the timing is odd, I'm sure this suspect has been one for a while they have brought it up now as it is the adversary and in the public eye again. No good bring a new suspect when the profile is low key

I am not saying they are lying i think someone somewhere probably thought this was a good way to get things moving again. Given the time and media attention that was devoted to this at the time i find it almost impossible to believe such a physically obvious suspect wasn't mentioned at all given the amount of innocent people that were dragged into the accusatio ring that surrounded this. I don't know whats going on but i am struggling to believe this is only just coming out now and why no one prior has mentioned him or anyone like him at the time she went missing which would seem to be the time to mention it.

[joglynne]

I think I would find this sudden emergence of new suspect more believable if the artist's impression of the man didn't portray him as the archetypal baddie.

I could understand if this new suspect was the type of person who looked so average that he could have been almost invisible but the man in the sketch looks so dodgy anyone seeing him would surely have noticed him and mentioned him to the police/reporters/private investigators at the time.