Madeleine McCann

[danielf]

In fairness to Arthur, I don't think the McCans' behaviour would have been frowned upon in the 70s (in particular during vacations).

Maybe not - but to state categorically that anyone who claims they *don't* leave their kids alone is a liar is a bit rich.

Originally Posted by danielf

In fairness to Arthur, I don't think the McCans' behaviour would have been frowned upon in the 70s (in particular during vacations).

Dude its not the 70's its 2009 there is no excuse to what he posted as he posted it in 2009 and not 30 plus years before

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Maybe not - but to state categorically that anyone who claims they *don't* leave their kids alone is a liar is a bit rich.

True.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Dude its not the 70's its 2009 there is no excuse to what he posted as he posted it in 2009 and not 30 plus years before

Also true.

I also think Arthur isn't one of the youngest members around...

I think you are also forgetting how old these kids were when they were left. Maddie was 3 iirc and the twins were 2 totally incapable of dealing with being on their own . I still believe if it was a parent gone to the shop and something happening in this country there would have been criminal procedings because of it

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

I too have never left my daughter alone, without a responsible adult present (whom would be a family member i.e mum, sisters, nephews/nieces). Maybe Arthur meant leave alone but supervised. I don't believe even he would belive its ok to leave children alone without ANY adult supervision.( A case which didnt happen in the case of the McCanns)

Well not much i can say to Arthur at the minute i normally quite like his posts for the humour content if nothing else but that post was completely stupid and baseless. Oh and for the record Arthur i like many on here have never left my kids alone whilst on holiday until they were well into their teens and don't call me a liar as you don't know me or anyone else on here well enough to make such a statement.

Yes it could be said the Mc'cans are paying the price now but it is not a price any responsible parent would have to pay as they would have taken their kids with them to the meal rather then leave them alone. Only victim in this sad story is maddie who didn't deserve to be left alone in an apartment. I said it at the begnning and will repeat it they should have been charged with parental neglect or something and i am completely sure if this had been a family from a council estate there would have been action long ago.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I too have never left my daughter alone, without a responsible adult present (whom would be a family member i.e mum, sisters, nephews/nieces). Maybe Arthur meant leave alone but supervised. I don't believe even he would belive its ok to leave children alone without ANY adult supervision.( A case which didnt happen in the case of the McCanns)

i have never left my boys unattended [there adult now of course] and like saff i would only leave them with trusted family members, i can't get my head around people who leave the most precious thing in there lives [children] alone and unprotected ,especially for self gratification as in this case ,being a parent is a responsibility 24/7 not when its convenient .

I still believe that they should have been bought up on negligence charges the facts of the case are evident.

1 they willfully and with malice of forethought left 3 toddlers alone in an apartment with no supervision for indeterminate amounts of time ( allowing for visits checking on them)

2 Maddie was abducted so no matter what the argument they were not safe

3 there was child minding facilities that the parents chose to reject.

These 3 facts alone irrelevent of emotional issues or any excuse the McCanns can give stinks of neglect of those most precious

if there was a different tragedy like a fire all 3 children could quite easily be dead today

[Mr_love_monkey]

Arthur - you are talking out of your backside.

I'll add my name to the list of people who never leave their kids unsupervised especially not on holiday - Hell, my wife won't even leave me unsupervised ever since the time I accidentally sold myself to the circus whilst she was out one day.

[dilli-theclaw]

I can't say as Peter has ever been left unsupervised either.

Mind you some poeple have questioned if I'm capable OF supervising him. But he's never left alone.

Originally Posted by Jefferson T

I can't say as Peter has ever been left unsupervised either.

Mind you some poeple have questioned if I'm capable OF supervising him. But he's never left alone.

well if you ever need someone to give them a slap let me know grrrrr

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Arthur - you are talking out of your backside.

I'll add my name to the list of people who never leave their kids unsupervised especially not on holiday - Hell, my wife won't even leave me unsupervised ever since the time I accidentally sold myself to the circus whilst she was out one day.

Erm, telling a bunch of circus strong-men "£10 a time, lads, and it costs extra to kiss me on the lips" is not "accidently selling yourself to the circus" (imho).

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Well lets put it this way, to clear up a point, and this is not to upset anyone, indeed my friends on this site, When you go out shopping, or you go to the loo, or in the papershop, you must have left the kids outside, even though you could or not see your kids, this is all the people need to snatch kids, a ' few seconds '.

I have left my young son outside the corner shop, to get a can of coke, this is what l am saying, its takes, that time for someone to do something., it might be out of order (ie Foreverwar) BUT this does happen, this is what l am saying.

In the case of Maddie, she was probabely have been followed for days, before the person struck, the person was an oppotuniest to have done it.

On the point of 'facts' I have been listening to the case from day one, the news did state ' it was known by police that pedos were known to go to area, And on the day after, a pedo was killed THAT was seen in the area on the day, who could have known the whereabouts of Maddie' Also, news that was coming out of Portugal, was that there was a 'ring' taking young children from that Island' I got my info from Sky, newspapers etc.

I never let my 2 year old daughter or 3 year old daughter outside a shop alone shame on you for doing so if you did at that age. I never let bethia go down the shop on her own which is very close till she was over 10 and I will not let her go down town on her own now and she is 12. If Maddie was my daughter the opportunity would not have arose while I was out drinking and making merry with friends. Your point is not clear and your accusations false