Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records

[LemonyBrainAid]

I've skimmed this entire thread and found it hilarious.

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman

You obvously work for Virgin Media so your opinions are biased.

You work for virgin media, so your opinions must be biased also ?

Yeah that will be why British Gas, Eon, Npower, Scottish Power and Sky do it as part of their recuitment process???!!!!

Why don't you move to one of those companies then, with a more desirable recruitment process?

Originally Posted by v0id

How did do you find out whether your collegues may or may not have a criminal record anyway? :/

Yeah, that - and - how do you know your managers / duty staff / HR don't know this already? I've heard they love hearing things over and over again from worried colleagues about irrelevant and silly little things!

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman

Yes I have had speeding/parking fines in the past but haven't we all?

A CRB includes motoring offences but would not be taken into consideration when a company decides if someone is fit to knock on a potential customers door. If however the person was convicted of a sex or fraud offence then surely they shouldnt be allowed to do be in a customers home?

Really? What if you're driving there? How can they trust you to park in the right place or to not speed on your way? I mean, as you have motoring offences, you must be a felon!

I dont know why I am debating this point - its clear, if you have been convicted of theft, sex offences, fraud or violence with an unspent conviction then surely you should not be knocking doors?

You never mentioned the word 'unspent' or 'unserved' convictions in your original post. And as for asking why you're debating, this isn't a publicist site unfortunately, people have and will always have their right to post & express their views and opinions.

What is happening here - I will say it again - we have a duty of care to ensure all customers are protected against individuals that could cause harm based on their previous unspent convictions!!!

I'm sure that Virgin Media are more than thorough with their checks when necessary. I doubt they would be so careless.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Why is HR useless? Put it in writing and they *have* to respond. They can't ignore it. they have certain legal duties to fulfil.

Well firstly they don't have to respond to anything. They work for the employer and if the employer chooses not to respond to your complain then tough luck. Secondly, there is no legal duty to respond to your complaint, especially as you would in this case be complaining about a company recruitment policy.

Originally Posted by hokkers999

As for "how did I figure that out". Let's say you have found out that I intended to go and kill someone and you made no attempt to stop me. What does that make you? - an accomplice after the fact. Same here. If the Salesman has genuine info and does nothing about it and a "tragedy"; does happen then he is just as responsible as the perpetrator. Over and above that he has a moral obligation to "do the right thing".

I'm not sure how we got from unspent convictions for salespeople to knowledge of premeditated murder, but I'll bite

In your scenario, your argument is flimsy at best, technically wrong at worst. The legal word for "accomplice after the fact" is "Accessory," which is someone who actively participates in the commission of...murder in this case. There is no such thing as "accessory after the fact".

And there is no plausible way that any judge could find someone guilty of being an "accessory" just by knowing about an expressed intent to perhaps do something in the future.

[Virgin Salesman]

Whoa this is getting very deep!

I am aware that some of the direct salespeople working for VM have criminal records - I am not resposible for their actions.

I am also aware that some of the VM media management have now read this thread as have over 1000 others, i think my job is done here? Please dont hold me responsible, isnt that for the management of VM?

[Frank]

Originally Posted by LemonyBrainAid

Why don't you move to one of those companies then, with a more desirable recruitment process?

That is a stupid argument and does not resolve the issue. We are discussing VM here.

Originally Posted by LemonyBrainAid

Really? What if you're driving there? How can they trust you to park in the right place or to not speed on your way? I mean, as you have motoring offences, you must be a felon!

Again, you are comparing apples with oranges. A motoring infraction is clearly not the same as a conviction for theft or something more serious.

Originally Posted by LemonyBrainAid

I'm sure that Virgin Media are more than thorough with their checks when necessary. I doubt they would be so careless.

Sorry, you contradicted yourself here. How can you be sure they are thorough and doubt they are not thorough at the same time? You are sure based on what exactly?

[Virgin Salesman]

Originally Posted by LemonyBrainAid

I've skimmed this entire thread and found it hilarious.



You work for virgin media, so your opinions must be biased also ?


Why don't you move to one of those companies then, with a more desirable recruitment process?


Yeah, that - and - how do you know your managers / duty staff / HR don't know this already? I've heard they love hearing things over and over again from worried colleagues about irrelevant and silly little things!



Really? What if you're driving there? How can they trust you to park in the right place or to not speed on your way? I mean, as you have motoring offences, you must be a felon!

You never mentioned the word 'unspent' or 'unserved' convictions in your original post. And as for asking why you're debating, this isn't a publicist site unfortunately, people have and will always have their right to post & express their views and opinions.

I'm sure that Virgin Media are more than thorough with their checks when necessary. I doubt they would be so careless.

I think you should stick to riding your bike with "L" plates and your provisonal licence.

With regard to VM current checks you cant be aware of their current policy - unless you work there, which I doubt because as your profile says you are "mostly in bed"

[Frank]

Okay people let us keep this polite and not insult each other.

[BenMcr]

Knew it would happen

Originally Posted by Frank

That is a stupid argument and does not resolve the issue. We are discussing VM here.

Again, you are comparing apples with oranges. A motoring infraction is clearly not the same as a conviction for theft or something more serious.

Sorry, you contradicted yourself here. How can you be sure they are thorough and doubt they are not thorough at the same time? You are sure based on what exactly?

Now that depends on what the offense is surely . Blanketing motoring offenses as less serious that theft. Driving without due care and attention could cause injury to innocents whats about reckless driving? causing death by reckelss driving? drink driving? causing death whilst under the influence? just a plain theft charge would not it would have to be with menaces or an assault

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman

I think you should stick to riding your bike with "L" plates and your provisonal licence.

With regard to VM current checks you cant be aware of their current policy - unless you work there, which I doubt because as your profile says you are "mostly in bed"

to be fair we only have your assertion that you work for VM to go on - LBA does 'at least', have the accreditation of being related to a previous very well respected moderator of this site.

- as such we can assume he is entitled to the opinion expressed - do we have the same re-assurance for you?

Everyone has their right to an opinion within the T&C's of this site, regardless of their age, your descent into patronisation doesn't enhance yours, unfortunately?

Right I think that some of us need reminding YET again that baiting and flaming others is against CF's T&Cs.

The personal digs will cease straight away or Warnings,Infractions and possibly Worse will result.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Now that depends on what the offense is surely . Blanketing motoring offenses as less serious that theft. Driving without due care and attention could cause injury to innocents whats about reckless driving? causing death by reckelss driving? drink driving? causing death whilst under the influence? just a plain theft charge would not it would have to be with menaces or an assault

lol okay sure I agree. Obviously if someone has a Drink Driving conviction VM probably would not want them driving around in one of their vans.

However, to nitpick, the original example used which I made my point towards was parking in the right place and speeding to get there, which would be less serious.

[Virgin Salesman]

Originally Posted by homealone

to be fair we only have your assertion that you work for VM to go on - LBA does 'at least', have the accreditation of being related to a previous very well respected moderator of this site.

- as such we can assume he is entitled to the opinion expressed - do we have the same re-assurance for you?

Everyone has their right to an opinion within the T&C's of this site, regardless of their age, your descent into patronisation doesn't enhance yours, unfortunately?

OK fair point I am feeling very frustated at the moment but gives me no right to make things personal. I apologise.

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman

OK fair point I am feeling very frustated at the moment but gives me no right to make things personal. I apologise.

well said - I will 'wind my neck in' too

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by Frank

Well firstly they don't have to respond to anything. They work for the employer and if the employer chooses not to respond to your complain then tough luck. Secondly, there is no legal duty to respond to your complaint, especially as you would in this case be complaining about a company recruitment policy.

I'm not sure how we got from unspent convictions for salespeople to knowledge of premeditated murder, but I'll bite

In your scenario, your argument is flimsy at best, technically wrong at worst. The legal word for "accomplice after the fact" is "Accessory," which is someone who actively participates in the commission of...murder in this case. There is no such thing as "accessory after the fact".

And there is no plausible way that any judge could find someone guilty of being an "accessory" just by knowing about an expressed intent to perhaps do something in the future.

I was stretching it a *bit* but my point is still valid though. If you bring something to the attention of HR that may be illegal then ignoring it isn't an option. All that does is dig them into the brown stuff as well.


As for my 2nd point, if the Salesman feels *that* strongly about it and is absolutely sure of his facts then he has a MORAL obligation to put his money where his mouth is and turn whistleblower.

[Russ]

My offer is still open...