BT now caps *everyone* - Page 2

Toto · 09-08-2008, 08:04

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

TW oversubscribed and had a network that in some areas was falling apart, when the two companies merged most of the top brass changed to telewest people, that's why we have STM, because they dont want to pay to upgrade the network which they have oversubscribed, apparently because of debt issues, however it doesnt stop them giving each other huge bonuses every year.

VM only has multiple 40Gbit network link ups, BT has 100Gbit.

There is no need to shape on docsis3/FTTH providing you have good network link ups as to not cause congestion.

The only reason VM are shaping 50Mbit is due to the fact they simply dont have that kind of bandwith available.

50Mbit from VM is not a serious product, its a willy waving thing.

Willy waving?

VM have come out and said they could have 200 Mb by 2012, that's one hell of a big willy.

Fatec · 09-08-2008, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Toto

Willy waving?

VM have come out and said they could have 200 Mb by 2012, that's one hell of a big willy.

I also remember them saying by now we'd all be on 100Mbit...

VM talk alot of *aherm*

Toto · 09-08-2008, 13:35

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

I also remember them saying by now we'd all be on 100Mbit...

VM talk alot of *aherm*

I don't remember VM ever publicly announcing that they would have a residential service offering 100Mbps by 2008?

Fatec · 09-08-2008, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Toto

I don't remember VM ever publicly announcing that they would have a residential service offering 100Mbps by 2008?

Don't you remember neil blasting all over bbc newscast we'd all be on 100Mbit by now?

Then again on another newscast with the BBC saying we'd all be on 50 and 100Mbit by now

Toto · 09-08-2008, 14:52

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

Don't you remember neil blasting all over bbc newscast we'd all be on 100Mbit by now?

Then again on another newscast with the BBC saying we'd all be on 50 and 100Mbit by now

No I don't, I do remember somebody stating that they hd tested 100Mb in lab conditions.

Chrysalis · 10-08-2008, 21:58

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Originally Posted by hokkers999

I know it's no consolation for us, but probably a sign of how things are going, but BT caps ALL users in the evening to just 15% of their nominal bandwidth

Makes VM capping at 25% almost seem generous doesn't it

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...th_throttling/

weeh glad a news site noticed this, thinkbroadband funnily have remained very quiet about it. Which does indicate further they pro BT.

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

BT's FTTH has no STM/Shaping what so ever and the trialists often enjoy 100Mbit (its set up as speed bursts so you only get that speed with big file downloads, quite a good setup).

AFAIK BT is expecting not to use any sort of shaping/throttling on their fibre rollout as the networks backhaul will be massively upgraded allowing for much less congestion and no need for shaping (much in the same way fios works).

VM, however, cannot afford to upgrade their backhaul/network linkups (as they have only just upgraded to 40G while BT is 100G)

It doesnt matter how big the backhaul is if their prices dont change, BT wholesale currently make isps pay over Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£150 per mbit which is incredibly expensive.

Fatec · 10-08-2008, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

weeh glad a news site noticed this, thinkbroadband funnily have remained very quiet about it. Which does indicate further they pro BT.

Indeed, though they still have quite a nice little community going on there.

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It doesnt matter how big the backhaul is if their prices dont change, BT wholesale currently make isps pay over Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£150 per mbit which is incredibly expensive.

I agree, however i do know for a fact the pricing structure is going to change...even for BT's own customers, the true FTTH packages aint gonna be cheap! but at least they wont shape you.

11-08-2008, 11:07

All been well however the average joe aint gonna pay over the odds for no shaping that wouldnt effect them and there are lots of average joes out there

AbyssUnderground · 11-08-2008, 11:47

VM users still seem to be overlooking the fact that even with STM, you can still download:

2Mbps - ~16GB/day, ~448GB/month
4Mbps - ~32GB/day, ~896GB/month
10Mbps - ~75GB/day, ~2050GB/month
20Mbps - ~150GB/day, ~4100GB/month

And when it comes out (if STM trends follow in suit):

50Mbps - ~375GB/day, ~10500GB/month

(~ means approximately)

That is far more than any other ISP would allow with their throttling thats for damn sure, especially BT now they are throttling everyone.

If VM can't afford to upgrade their network because of debt, don't you think that they should:-

1. Stop giving out offers to keep people on their services and just let them leave. Chances are they cost the company a lot more than they pay.
2. Stop upgrading to be better than everyone else and pay off a little debt first. Work on getting the service you have working for everyone and not just some.

Ignitionnet · 15-08-2008, 12:40

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

VM only has multiple 40Gbit network link ups, BT has 100Gbit.

VM has very recently started on a 40Gbit network upgrade, May, not sure how complete it is. BT do not have 100Gbit anywhere on their network at this time.

100Gbit is still largely in the labs. One major issue is that BT's network is Juniper and Cisco and there are no 100Gbit line cards or even 100Gbit/slot routers available as far as I'm aware. There are 100Gbit/slot switches but no 100Gbit line cards even for them yet. It's very very specialised stuff still.

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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

VM users still seem to be overlooking the fact that even with STM, you can still download:

2Mbps - ~16GB/day, ~448GB/month
4Mbps - ~32GB/day, ~896GB/month
10Mbps - ~75GB/day, ~2050GB/month
20Mbps - ~150GB/day, ~4100GB/month

And when it comes out (if STM trends follow in suit):

50Mbps - ~375GB/day, ~10500GB/month

(~ means approximately)

That is far more than any other ISP would allow with their throttling thats for damn sure, especially BT now they are throttling everyone.

I think it's not so much about how much you can download, but when you can download at full speed that's the cause of the complaints.

BTW you put an extra 0 on the end of the figure for 50Mbit

AbyssUnderground · 15-08-2008, 14:05

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BTW you put an extra 0 on the end of the figure for 50Mbit

Not sure if it was sarcasm or being serious, but the figure is, unfortunately, correct

chickendippers · 15-08-2008, 17:36

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Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

1. Stop giving out offers to keep people on their services and just let them leave. Chances are they cost the company a lot more than they pay.

General business wisdom says that retaining an existing customer by making them a special offer is cheaper than gaining a new one through expensive marketing campaigns...although some of the offers VM have given out would appear to fly in the face of theory