browns not backing down so looks like more road blocks ahead

[boroboi]

seaofpepsicola: do you really have to say "hiya" at the start of every post, its not an msn chat room you know.

Would the government even miss a slight decrease in tax on fuel anyway? Theres plenty of other things that are overtaxed in our joke of a country.

Hell, if we had a list of expenditure per year of our FUEL tax alone, i'd be willing to bet it goes nowhere but into the coffers building up year after year.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by seaofpepsicola

hiya

yes almost every other country has the same problem...David Icke is not just on about UK he is on about global domination....

you know think outside the box...

just because they were voted in does not make it a democracy...think about it you voted in the people that have kicked the UK in the balls..in fact the UK has no balls left...its been sold off left, right and centre, too many examples to list.

The people think they have a say with voting...which makes it look like a democracy, but look the government are not listening to fuel protestors...in fact I think I read that they are reducing it by 2p...wow!!! no doubt they will tax something else at 20p...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1220336.ece

If we were to start listening to David Icke we might as well push the button, the guy lost it in the late 80s when he went from a respectable sports commentator to the son of God, almost overnight, his away with the fairies.... oopps and the lizards of course. As regards thinking outside the box, Icke is not only outside the box, but outside of the shop and 50 miles down the road.

Also as to having no democracy, we voted this government in and we will no doubt vote it out, sounds pretty democratic to me, if Brown doesn't do it for you, you can get rid of him, men have died fighting for what we have. Someone once said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others", to me that about sums it up.

[papa smurf]

might i just add that stock piling fuel at home is a recipe for disaster.!

Originally Posted by papa smurf

might i just add that stock piling fuel at home is a recipe for disaster.!

And potentially illegal

What is the limit of the amount of petrol I can store for domestic use?

The Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc.) Regulations 1929 and the Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982 limit the amount of petrol that can be kept in a domestic garage or within six metres of a building (e.g. most domestic driveways). The limit is a maximum of two suitable metal containers each of a maximum capacity of ten litres or two plastic containers (which have to be of an approved design) each of a maximum capacity of five litres. These limits also apply to any containers kept in a vehicle parked in the garage or on the driveway (but not to the internal fuel tank of the vehicle). Under no circumstances should the petrol containers be stored in the home itself.

Anyone who wishes to store larger quantities than this, or use larger containers, is required to notify the local Petroleum Licensing Authority (PLA) and to store the petrol in a prescribed manner set out in the 1929 Regulations mentioned above - enquirers who want further details should contact their local PLA. Storage of more than 275 litres (60 gallons) of petrol requires a petrol licence - again, contact the local PLA.

from

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosi...oleum/faqs.htm

It may also be worth mentioning that the News today (BBC Radio) was saying incidents of fuel theft are increasing - including people siphoning off heating oil from external tanks, so anyone who does have oil fired heating should make sure their tank is secure ....

[Sirius]

We need Brown and his Labour Muppet's sacked now before they make an even bigger mess of this country.

This isn't a case of Brown choosing not to back down the fact is thanks to his economic genius he can't back down this country simply doesn't have the reserves to make a compromise. Only way he could and i wouldn't put it past him as he must know he is out at the next election is to borrow the money and increase the national debt safe in the knowledge that he won't have to sort it out. That's what worries me most another labour demolition job on the country in the hope of making the next tory government look bad and certainly screw them up for the first few years of tory rule.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

might i just add that stock piling fuel at home is a recipe for disaster.!

Indeed, although in my case only if one of the containers splits and spills veg oil on the carpet, then it could be fatal!

I remember hearing about a bloke who stored gallons and gallons in his garage, and one day he was working in there when the lot went up.

Unfortunately, I would imagine there are many people out there who have stockpiled petrol (are there actually restrictions on diesel stockpiles? I couldn't find any when I looked during the first blockades, when it was cheaper to go to france on the ferry and fill up than the local petrol station!) simply because they know they'd not be able to afford the current prices.

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Of course the price of petrol is way high, its gone from $14 a barrel in 2000 to over $130 a barrel now, if Brown were to take 25p off the price of a litre that would mean cuts of millions to the public purse, which in turn means who's going to suffer, the police, hospitals, defence or our kid's education. He no doubt would love to get in everybody's good books by slashing tax on petrol, but his all to aware its a lot more complicated than that.

Think about it, they set the taxation level to return enough revenues to the treasury as is needed for the year. The price of fuel has gone above expectations, therefore the amount of tax returned is greater than what was budgetted for.
What people are asking for is that extra tax to be returned by reducing the rate of duty.
So it's not taking money that was expected away from the treasury, but extra cash they didn't expect.
The problem is, that extra money is needed because the government have screwed up so much.

[frogstamper]

I know what your saying Xaccers, but you know as well as I that no government could slash 25p off the price of a litre, maybe he could reduce it by 2-5p at most. As regards the extra tax that's going into the overall kitty, I wouldn't imagine its all bunce because of the general downturn where people aren't spending so the governments taking less tax.

Anyway I'm going off point here, I agree we pay too much tax at present, I wanted to point out to others that a 25p a litre cut would certainly mean cuts in other areas.


BTW Like the new avatar.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

I know what your saying Xaccers, but you know as well as I that no government could slash 25p off the price of a litre, maybe he could reduce it by 2-5p at most. As regards the extra tax that's going into the overall kitty, I wouldn't imagine its all bunce because of the general downturn where people aren't spending so the governments taking less tax.

Anyway I'm going off point here, I agree we pay too much tax at present, I wanted to point out to others that a 25p a litre cut would certainly mean cuts in other areas.


BTW Like the new avatar.

I know, I agree that 25p is a bit much, even if it's only given to hauliers, but some decrease could be given, which in turn would help stimulate the economy and therefore bring in more tax


PS Thanks

[slowcoach]

The answer is to be prepared for a ten year recession, all the talk in the World isn't going to prevent it.
The years of plenty (loans) was not normal and was unsustainable.
Prepare to return to normality.

Originally Posted by Sirius

We need Brown and his Labour Muppet's sacked now before they make an even bigger mess of this country.

I think we also need to have a more powerful House of Lords (maybe elected but longer terms and only 1/3rd up for re-election at any one time akin to the American Senate). As well as abolishing the parliement act.

We need to take power away from the commons so that they can't introduce knee-jerk reaction policys whenever a election is due

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think we also need to have a more powerful House of Lords (maybe elected but longer terms and only 1/3rd up for re-election at any one time akin to the American Senate). As well as abolishing the parliement act.

We need to take power away from the commons so that they can't introduce knee-jerk reaction policys whenever a election is due

Agreed Damien, and in that reform we must get rid of the remaining 90 or so hereditary peers, in this day and age it is totally anachronistic to believe power should be granted by accident of birth.

Originally Posted by Damien

I think we also need to have a more powerful House of Lords (maybe elected but longer terms and only 1/3rd up for re-election at any one time akin to the American Senate). As well as abolishing the parliement act.

We need to take power away from the commons so that they can't introduce knee-jerk reaction policys whenever a election is due

The problem with this is that the independence of the HOL may well be affected if we go for elected candidates especially if it comes down to members being promoted by either of the three main political parties.

What I like about the present system is that each hereditary lord is not bound to support any party because their position is already secure and not reliant on support from a political party.

[Hom3r]

What do people not understand.

Brown can cut fuel duty without affecting the public purse.

A year ago I was paying 95PPL, now I'm paying 125PPL, thats a 33% inscrease. This means hes got 33% more to tax. So that if fuel hadn't gone up would the money be missed?

[seaofpepsicola]

I was on about stocking up food...not fuel...as in no deliveries so food shortage in shops.