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BadPhormula · 04-05-2008, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

Groan. I didn't say it was "minor". I said there is a big world full of even nastier invasions out there. That doesn't diminish my focus on Phorm.

Sure, in the big scheme of things Phorm is relatively containable. I'd be a liar if I didn't admit that the prospect of mandatory population-wide DNA and biometric acquisition, wholesale data matching, ubiquitous identity demands, comprehensive government profiling, expanded police and security powers and mass pacification of the population weren't occupying my mind somewhat, but that doesn't mean I treat Phorm with any less regard as a privacy issue.

Simon

Jeez talk about kooky tin-foil hat!

I got shot down when I even mentioned the consiracy to profile everyone as supported by the EVIDENCE here!

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...topic.php?5080

But getting back to the "minor" matter of Phormscum, even you must appreciate peoples absolute horror of having the Intra-ISP Spyware parasite installed at the connection entry point of the Internet... At least with the likes of Double-click and Google we have a chance of escaping their predacious stalking/profiling... With Phorm at the starting gate there is no escape.

Simon whatever you do now you will be damned unless Phorm is completely destroyed and you come back with some clever post-analysis explanation of your privacy stratergy. How did you ever put yourself in this most unenviable position, surely if you didn't have to provide yourself a living and had enough money to be completely independent you would be on this side of the line attacking Phorm for the **** malware parasite that they are.

Are you going to "Opt-in" when Phorm is available on your home Internet provider?

Bobcat · 04-05-2008, 22:35

@OldBear.
Yup, I'm a BT user/poster from there myself but more or less gave up following the closure of the 1st 2 threads. The mention of Phorm/Webwise was actualluy in a newish thread which had nothing to do with this subject at all. Folk were complaining/discussing another aspect of their "service" with which they were not satisfied and Phorm came up as an added future possible bugbear.

Florence · 04-05-2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

3 sec summary;

BT - Trials due in April (!), no criminal investigation into 2006/7 trials (yet)
Virgin -Trials expected, but seemingly getting jitters
TalkTalk - Opt in for consumers, no time scale for implementation, no opt in for content creators

Home Office/Police/ICO/DfBEER/MP - Silence or inaction

So effectively, yes its going ahead. But nothing has happened. If that makes sense.

Pete.

Add to this Video of the public meeting in the hands of Phorm and not released as promised.

Only videos we know of online website hacked by Russian scriptors malicious script placed so anyone visiting had a iframe ( which is what phorm uses to hijack the conection) used to download a redirect for more molicious script to download in the background.

80/20 report delayed.

Infact the best for all is the plug be pulled on all this, Simon from 80/20 revist everyones worries and take a second look at our security which phorm cannot give with Kent and russian scriptors.

BadPhormula · 04-05-2008, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadPhormula

But getting back to the "minor" matter of Phormscum, even you must appreciate peoples absolute horror of having the Intra-ISP Spyware parasite installed at the connection entry point of the Internet... At least with the likes of Double-click and Google we have a chance of escaping their predacious stalking/profiling... With Phorm at the starting gate there is no escape.

Hey Pete another one for the 'Phorm vs Google' debate over on BadPhorm.

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...topic.php?5233

Google is a predator
Phorm is a parasite

We are victims

OldBear · 04-05-2008, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobcat

<snip>The mention of Phorm/Webwise was actualluy in a newish thread which had nothing to do with this subject at all. Folk were complaining/discussing another aspect of their "service" with which they were not satisfied and Phorm came up as an added future possible bugbear.

Oh, I never saw that, so thanks for the info, mate; I'll go and have a shuftie.

Mind you, if it's like it's always been the thread will get removed, so I best be quick.

Kursk · 04-05-2008, 23:19

Write to your MP
Write to your ISP: Virgin Media; BT; TalkTalk
Write to your EU representative
Sign the Downing Street petition
Serve a section 11 Data Protection Notice on your ISP
Watch this
Read this
Go here for a summary
BT, Virgin Media and Talk Talk ISP addresses
Sample letters

Spread the word on the web and ask everyone you know to do the same.

And if you are lurking, please sign up and get stuck in!

popper · 04-05-2008, 23:28

hmmm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...ding/comments/
"
Phorm allowed into the 'Anti-Phishing Working Group'

By phormwatch
Posted Saturday 3rd May 2008 19:59 GMT

You're not going to believe this, but the APWG:
http://www.antiphishing.org/index.html
Has allowed Phorm to join their ranks, as you can see here:

http://www.antiphishing.org/sponsors.html
I suggest people write to the APWG and 'inphorm' them about Phorms background and illegal activities:
http://www.antiphishing.org/contactus.html
"

04-05-2008, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking

Once the PIA is in the public domain PI can join other organisations in expressing a full and frank opinion.

Simon

One question I raised earlier - is there a contractual commitment to place the PIA in the public domain, or does 80/20's remit end once the PIA is handed over to Phorm? (As you can guess, this concern follows on from what happened with the video).

Kursk · 04-05-2008, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnHorb

One question I raised earlier - is there a contractual commitment to place the PIA in the public domain, or does 80/20's remit end once the PIA is handed over to Phorm? (As you can guess, this concern follows on from what happened with the video).

I suspect the PIA belongs to the client (like the video). It remains to be seen if the statement "publish and be damned" will be realised.

Portly_Giraffe · 04-05-2008, 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

Write to your MP
Write to your ISP: Virgin Media; BT; TalkTalk
Spread the word on the web
Write to your EU representative
Sign the Downing Street petition
Serve a section 11 Data Protection Notice on your ISP
Watch this
Read this
Ask everyone you know to do the same
And if you are lurking, sign up and get stuck in!

Also:

BT, Virgin Media and Talk Talk ISP addresses at:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/ispcontacts.htm

Sample letters at:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/sampleletters.htm

Kursk · 04-05-2008, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Portly_Giraffe

Also:

BT, Virgin Media and Talk Talk ISP addresses at:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/ispcontacts.htm

Sample letters at:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/sampleletters.htm

Thank you. Thought it would be a good idea to get this all in one place for joiners

Wild Oscar · 05-05-2008, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

Write to your MP
Write to your ISP: Virgin Media; BT; TalkTalk
Write to your EU representative
Sign the Downing Street petition
Serve a section 11 Data Protection Notice on your ISP
Watch this
Read this
Go here for a summary
BT, Virgin Media and Talk Talk ISP addresses
Sample letters

Spread the word on the web and ask everyone you know to do the same.

And if you are lurking, please sign up and get stuck in!

Good post Kursk! .. and I think we've all been 'distracted' by this 80/20 Thinking/Privacy International merry-go-round for way too long!! .. it's wasted energy in my view, and not where the real battle lies!
Hounding Simon at every turn and trying to trip him up with clever word play is not getting us anywhere ..

SMHarman · 05-05-2008, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

Where does he get that gem from? The only thing I want turned on by default is Kylie Minogue. lol

Hmmm, MS IE7 has antiphishing turned off by default. Lets stop and think about this for a moment. Why?

Well because it means that you are sending aspects (not even all) of your data stream to MS to check for Phishing and they did not want the world sending their data streams there without the world knowing they were doing it. The sort of class action that could even manage to cripple MS.

Yet Phorm wants to be on by default.

Portly_Giraffe · 05-05-2008, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Hmmm, MS IE7 has antiphishing turned off by default.

To be precise, having just installed IE7, it asks you whether you want to have antiphishing turned on or off.

But your point still stands absolutely - Microsoft provides a choice with IE7, but Phorm wants to be on by default.

warescouse · 05-05-2008, 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Hmmm, MS IE7 has antiphishing turned off by default. Lets stop and think about this for a moment. Why?

Well because it means that you are sending aspects (not even all) of your data stream to MS to check for Phishing and they did not want the world sending their data streams there without the world knowing they were doing it. The sort of class action that could even manage to cripple MS.

Yet Phorm wants to be on by default.